Does anyone know if Old and Noisy Aircraft are still allowed to operate into the UK? Aircraft such as 737-200's, 727's,707's etc. I know alot of Aircraft dont fly anymore but also wondered if these Aircraft are allowed into the Uk has anyone seen any of these oldies. I'd like to see the 727 Taking Off and listening to those gorgeous Engines

i think the boieng 747-200 a really old aircraft and a very loud one from my opinion!

EAL use 737-200, that are fitted with Hushkits, i`ve seen sevaral 727s in the UK, but have been fitted with Hushkits and Winglets, these i`ve seen at Stn and Man, all have been Private Jets. Israel Air Force use 707s, fitted with the old Engines, they come through Man, once in a blue moon. I`ve seen a Romania 707 at Lgw, fitted with the old Engines, this one still does Passenger Flights, but is used by the Romania Goverment. So yes, the Noisy ones, still fly in and out of the UK, but for how much longer?

i saw a 707-300 down there when i went there about 2-3 month ago.

I could see that; as in beliving that......... It'd be nice to see one of those still flying not for the military!!!!!!!

I just saw a AA 727 at Sky Harbor today

You mean "Ex-AA"

How do i know if an aircraft have hushkits?

Can you tell me if Amerijet's 727 have them?

Aserca Airlines (from Venezuela), their DC-9-30 have hushkits? They are pretty loud :D

Thanks.

On 737s its quite visible

Example

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0526944
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0400568

Up in northern Canada, some airlines I believe use unhushkitted 732s and F-28s.

Way up north, there is nothing but snow, some wildlife, and a whole lotta nothing, hehe snow don't complain about noise, lol maybe the occasional snow hare, but I seen a First Air 732 take off from Yellowknife and it was all nice and Rumbly and Crackley from those JT8D's

i think that dehavilland prop a/c are noisy and i think they still opertate in the uk on short flights.

our Airport here services a DC9-32 and a B737-200 too noisy during touchdow
n hehe and take off of course

The loudest aircraft I've ever heard was the 727-100 without the "valsan" modification. It was pretty much a straight jet engine with no noise abatement engineered in. All Pratt & Whitney JT8D engines are now required to have this mod in the United States. But before that, it could make your ears bleed. Are there any 727's without the modification left in the world? You can tell by the #2 engine that still has a thrust reverser installed.

B-727 with #2 engine T/R

They've all still got thrust reversers installed, even with the hush kits. The reverse thrust comes through cascade vents on the sides of the #2, and the top and bottom of the #1 and #3. I don't know how to put pics up, but find one with the 72's with the stage III's and look at the engines in front of the aft nozzles. You'll see the honeycomb that's blackened...that's the cascade. The only ones I've ever flown without a reverser on the #2 is a Super27 as the 219's put out so much power that there's no use for them...but that's a TWA thing.

The Valsan program was intended to make 727-200s compliant with the
Stage 3 noise rules. The outer (#1 and #3) JT8D-9, -11, -15 or -17s are
replaced with JT8D-217s, which have a higher bypass ratio and are
quieter. The -217s are the engine found on the MD-82.
The center (#2) engine, being buried in the tailcone, could not be easily replaced, so
instead it looses its thrust reverser and gets an internal (bypass/core)
mixer, to lower its noise signature.

Even though they still have the cascade vents on the sides, they are bypassed internally. All I have worked on were 727-200's with 217's and 219's. I've seen 727-100's with actual clamshell doors instead of side vents on them, directing air to the sides as well. Ex-TWA and Ex-Eastern were the only 2 aircraft that I worked on that still had the vents, but they were just bypassed.

I still like my B737-200 unhushkitted. hehe . Rumbling take off / rumbling landing with that reverse thunder, hehe .

Unhushkitters Unite, lol

I know that for a while, Delta flew their un-hushkitted 737-200s here into KDTW. I haven't seen one of them here in about 8 months, so I don't know if they still do. Let's not forget NWA's gobs of DC-9s that fly in and out of here. For about the last week or so, departures have been over my house and we've had the windows open. Even 6-8 miles out of the airport at whatever altitude they're at, those babies are LOUD!

I still remember when I was at the airport on April 18th and I had the pleasure of seeing a Learjet 25 take off in front of me. The noise from those turbojets beat out any DC-9 or 727! (Sorry about the shakies, this was before I got my new tripod)

http://flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Learjet...Video-6021.html

Our Lear 24's and 25's are pretty loud. It was even worse before the reversers were pinned.

I say to h*ll with the 1.7 EPR as we cross 3000...leave it in climb and let's just blast off. You wanna hear some thunder...I'll let those PW's scream a little and rock your freaking world. I'll even give you a blasting as we come in to land...just a little rumble over the short final...just a little one...

Hush-kits, smush-kits...BAH! Grumble, grumble, grumble...

What I find funny is that the APU on the 737-200 series is louder than the 737NG engines.

As far as older aircraft in the United States, its becoming a rare sight to see. Pretty much the last family of "old" aircraft, the 732's, have been retired from AmericaWest, Southwest, and Delta. (Correct me if I'm wrong... doesn't Delta have a few left?) The DC9's in Northwest's fleet are actually doing pretty well, to be perfectly honest. Its amazing what good mechanics will do to an airline!

Its a day and age when airlines are reflecting on scrapping their MD80's for a similar aircraft, but Northwest continues to fly a *LARGE* fleet of DC9's, which are something like 20-some odd years older than most MD-80's.

Although, I can debate that a large factor of why Northwest is in bankruptcy is in fact because of the DC-9, and as every day passes, the MX cost for these things continue to rise rapidly. Unfortunately, that is the cost of an aging fleet. Another reason why they are in bankrupcty is a diverse fleet; but thats for another thread.

As I said, older aircraft in America is getting rare; with a majority of them (DC8's, 727's, etc) belonging to cargo carriers, such as DHL, FedEx, UPS, etc. Amerijet also operates 727's.

I think that Europe has fewer airlines with an aging fleet, with most "new" European airlines (WizzAir, Smartwings, WindJet, etc) having A320's and 737's which are (almost) brand new.

Alitalia's older aircraft are in the "Cargo" division, and their oldest aircraft are the MD80 and 767-300.

I think that (IMHO) any old aircraft in the UK, or Europe, for that reason, will be declining as Airbus and Boeing make better deals which make aircraft more affordable.

Unfortunately, Ryanair and AirOne continue to fly 732's, which are old. But those are only a few of a handfull of airlines which continue to operate aircraft of that age.

-Joey

Yes, you are correct. Delta airlines has 18 737-200 aircraft in service. Overall they have an age of about 20 years. They did have 33 in operation, but a number were returned to the lessor, or sold. Does anyone know what happened to those 15 737-200's? Any information would be welcome.

As for the NWA DC9's, it is quite wonderful to see machines that were maunfactured in the last 60's and 70's flying for a modern american airline. Kudos to all the NWA mechanics!

Thanks Matt!

I know I've heard (in a "my sister's dogwalker's friend" kinda way) that a few are now at MHV, or VCV in storage. I hope its the latter. I know 100%, however, that SWA's are desert-stored. In fact, a few have already been fed to the shredder. :-(

-Joey