Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Screen Flicker In Videos
Flightlevel350.com Forums > FL350 Forum > Videographer Forum
Fast Jet
icon_neutral.gif

Hi guys. Sorry about the title. I messed up! While I am here though, how do you manage to take a video of the flight deck and NOT get all that flickering that the screens make. I note that on the last juicy video on FL350.com there was no flicker from the screens and yet on some others, its a bind. I assume it may be due to the speed of the camera/film/..whatever. icon_rolleyes.gif
The Airbuser
Andre could explain it way much better than me, but I think cameras can't do much about it, as it's how LCD's or CRT's works...

Maybe an anti-flicker filter could do it? I don't know.

I'd rather wait for Andre to shed a light.

Cheers,
Eddie
Kilrah
If the screens you're filming are LCD's, you don't need to worry as modern LCD's maintain their image unless it is changed - no flickering.
If those are CRT's, then you need the shutter speed of the camera to be slower than or at least equal to the refresh time of the CRT. Example (shutter speed in 1/s on lower right corner, CRT is an US-freq device).
Common CRT refresh times are 1/60th of a second for US NTSC systems, and 1/50th for European PAL systems. But as these were fixed according to mains power frequency, and on aircraft this usually is 400Hz I have no idea how they do it on aircraft screens. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say they would have kept the 50/60Hz.

Back to the filming part - if your camera has a fully manual mode where you can fix the shutter speed yourself then simply dial one that is slow enough to incorporate a full screen refresh. If not, it should usually have some kind of "exposure control" instead, which we don't really know what does - but if you switch to manual and change a couple of steps up/down you should be able to find a spot where flicker is minimal, and you can leave it there. That's how I did on these 2 videos:
http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Air...ideo-11290.html
http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Air...ideo-11291.html
as the small camera I used for those doesn't have full manual control.

In auto mode cameras usually try to stay as close as possible to the 1/50-1/60th shutter speed to recreate typical motion blur, whether they can stay there or not depends on illumination, what aperture range the lens has, whether an ND filter is available...
Fast Jet
QUOTE(Kilrah @ Feb 23 2009, 01:57 PM) *
If the screens you're filming are LCD's, you don't need to worry as modern LCD's maintain their image unless it is changed - no flickering.
If those are CRT's, then you need the shutter speed of the camera to be slower than or at least equal to the refresh time of the CRT. Example (shutter speed in 1/s on lower right corner, CRT is an US-freq device).
Common CRT refresh times are 1/60th of a second for US NTSC systems, and 1/50th for European PAL systems. But as these were fixed according to mains power frequency, and on aircraft this usually is 400Hz I have no idea how they do it on aircraft screens. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say they would have kept the 50/60Hz.

Back to the filming part - if your camera has a fully manual mode where you can fix the shutter speed yourself then simply dial one that is slow enough to incorporate a full screen refresh. If not, it should usually have some kind of "exposure control" instead, which we don't really know what does - but if you switch to manual and change a couple of steps up/down you should be able to find a spot where flicker is minimal, and you can leave it there. That's how I did on these 2 videos:
http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Air...ideo-11290.html
http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_Air...ideo-11291.html
as the small camera I used for those doesn't have full manual control.

In auto mode cameras usually try to stay as close as possible to the 1/50-1/60th shutter speed to recreate typical motion blur, whether they can stay there or not depends on illumination, what aperture range the lens has, whether an ND filter is available...


Thanks.

So you are the one who filmed those two A320 sectors! You`re a genius. . . really nice going mate!! You didn`t by any chance get the phone number of the F/O did you. . ? icon_biggrin.gif

Cool video.
Kilrah
Thanks... about the number, I'll keep that one for personal use... LOL icon_wink.gif
galaxy
QUOTE(Fast Jet @ Feb 23 2009, 02:23 PM) *
You didn`t by any chance get the phone number of the F/O did you. . ? icon_biggrin.gif

Ask " FUSIONMAN or Jetman " ,the captain.He sits on the left side of the F/O.
Kilrah
Good catch. OK that wasn't hard...
And he got to fly again with her the next day. Knowing him, I'm sure he has her number. LOL

He stopped flying last week for (hopefully) 3 years now though, so he can work full time on his project, so I guess he'll be a bit out of the circuit...
The Airbuser
Then what would a Anti-flickering filter would do on an editing software regarding this question?
Kilrah
AFAIK this would have effect in case you get flickering on the entire picture due to a similar interaction between fluorescent lights (that actually "blink" at the mains power frequency) and the shutter speed.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2013 Invision Power Services, Inc.