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 Oct 28 2005, 08:52 PM
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Glad the pilot is ok and sorry he suffered damage to his plane. He won't make that mistake again, God I hope not. But nothing irritates me more than such completely unnecessary fiascos such as this.
First, the fuel starvation incident. I have nearly 3,200 hours in the same model of the 210 involved here and have made countless unscheduled fuel stops for varying reasons over the fifteen years I've been flying them. In fact, it happened to me just this past Monday while enroute from LFT to PYX (576 nms) due to periodic fifty-knot headwinds due to the effects of Hurricane Wilma when the current published forecast for my altitude was for twenty knots +-. Stopped in Ardmore, Oklahoma (for the first time in my life) to top-off, stretch the legs and have an early lunch. Really no big deal. And when I landed, I joked with the lineman that I calculated that I burned 51.3 gallons and "do I get a discount if I get within a gallon of that?" After he re-fueled me, he laughed and said that he didn't know about the discount, but that I took on 51.7 gallons. This ain't trigonometry folks.
But had I continued the flight to my intended destination, I calculated that I would have landed with about six minutes of fuel! Ain't gonna happen....
Now the most irritating part of this is something I see on a regular basis from the boss or pax. Impatience. Get-home-Itis. Call it what you will. I've got lots of stories about this potential killer. And sometimes I struggle with it myself after a long day.
Now for the ill-advised highway takeoff. From what I saw from the video (thanks for that Kaos!), the site had pretty much become a media event, along with spectators, etc. This part would have made me nervous from the get-go. Now I obviously wasn't there, and it may be easy for me to arm-chair quarterback this event from the comfort of my den sitting at my computer, but I'd like to think that I would have taken control over the situation as PIC of my airplane. With all the various law-enforcement personel present, I'd want to talk to whoever is in charge and make a couple of demands before even thinking about moving that aircraft from the scene. First, of course, would be that all intersecting ingress points are securely cordoned off. It appears from the video that this was indeed the case. Secondly, I'd want at least a thirty-five foot clear right-of-way on either side of the center-line. This was not even close to the case. What amazes me is the prevalence of stupidity present during this whole ordeal. Did the struck Semi and fire truck suddenly move onto the takeoff area? To me, it looked like they were already parked. Don't know for sure at this point.
Bottom line. This was a really stupid incident, no matter how you look at it. And Talldude's right on the money regarding the fuel starvation issue. Incidents like this may very well lead to unwanted regs for us GA amd Part 91 pilots.
  
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Oct 31 2005, 06:33 PM
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I can not comment on the incident(s) other than ... ?!¿ ...
My pilot license adventure has, as always been the case before, been postponed slightly again - too much work. Now I aim for January.
But, why I comment : At the same time as I watch the video, two cars crash into each other outside on the street below. I promise I jumped a feet of my chair, totally confused. "Did I turn up the volume?"
Well, the cars outside is badly damaged but the people are fine, so I had a surround sound crash experience here without anything else than lost euros and dollars at expense. Strange world we live in.
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Nov 5 2005, 01:35 AM
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wut type of aircraft it si bernoulis reply it is beautiful
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Nov 6 2005, 10:06 PM
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 I gotta rant.. please give me the floor and I apologize if I offend anyone. I am sick and tired of reading the obituaries....
I read the first few sentences on this thread and had to stop. As a General Aviation (GA) pilot? My blood is boiling!
.. as soon as I read "fuel exhaustion" I lost patience. I have only had my license going on two years. I worked long and hard to get this ticket too. Some of you that know me, are aware of this.
Here are just a few examples of our headlines in recent months? (real life) and why I am afraid we will lose our GA privileges it this keeps up..
Busted TFRs...enough said there.
Scud running (someone I am familiar with (ART VANCE) who died recently flying a hellcat under minimums to a museum. He was well known and very talented at our airshows as well as the major coordinator of the Reno Air Races.
A pilot takes off in minimums and crashes.. not IFR rated.. UKIAH
A pilot takes off and crashes in Petaluma and dies.. his dog gets thrown out of the window and dies as does the pilot.. stalls over the golf club...mismanagment of fuel is the suspition.
Flying DRUNK:
Flyin Brian flew his Ultra Light out of his own property on Hunter lane (close to the Petaluma Airport) into the ground. DEAD
Experienced Pilots flying a plane and not paying attention to Airworthy Directives (his Cessna 210). Carl's Girfriend is a friend of mine. Here is an experienced pilot that took 2 passegers, wine and golf clubs on their way to Scottsdale Arizona.
I remember the day, the weather was marginal. I knew pilots flying the valley that day and said the same. The plane brokeup and everyone died..and for what??
Running out of fuel is about the stupidest and most of all the most preventable ways not to crash and burn! GRRRRR!!!!!
All of these accidents were preventable. It gives GA pilots a bad name. I won't be surprised if our privileges are removed someday soon. SUX
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Nov 16 2005, 01:52 PM
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Hey guys, look at this, another one of these so called emergency landings on a road and probably an attempt to takeoff.
Plane Makes Emergency Landing On I-25
Plane Loses Power En Route To New Mexico
POSTED: 9:03 am MST November 16, 2005
UPDATED: 10:24 am MST November 16, 2005
CASTLE ROCK, Colo. -- A small plane made an emergency landing on Interstate 25 near Castle Rock Wednesday morning and the three people on board walked away uninjured.
The single-engine Piper Comanche landed near mile marker 180 -- in the Wilcox/Plum Creek Road area at about 8:49 a.m., and stopped in the southbound median.
The plane was carrying a pilot, and the couple that owned the aircraft.
Emergency crews pushed the plane across the frontage road and into a dirt area on the side after it landed.
The aircraft was not damaged and traffic along I-25 was not affected, although the pilot told 7News that motorists honked at him.
Pilot Jason Scobee said that he had taken off from the Jefferson County Airport a short time before. He said he was en route to Santa Fe, N.M., and then Las Vegas, Nev., when the plane suddenly lost power and he was forced to make an emergency landing.
Scobee speculated that his carburetor froze up, killing power to the aircraft.
Plans are for the plane to take off from the highway, rather than being trucked to an airport.
This is the latest news I got, Still no word whether or not this attempt was successful. But I just LMAO when I read that part I put in bold. Would you really honk your horn, lol?
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Ouch! Well at least no-one got hurt...
. Oh yeah, the same guy completes his preflight in five minutes. Starting at the arrival of the airplane to closing the door and buckling up. Now I'm really scared, are you? 
