Flight Schools Options

[Fernandez174]

LOL that's funny I have all three of those schools pamphlets in my room. I think the one with the Best offer is ATP but here is the rundown.

ATP
Course:Airline Career Pilot Program(ACPP)&Direct Track Placement
Will take you from Private Pilot to Certified Flight Instructor with approximately 190 hours of multi-engine time.You have two choices 90 day fast Track or 10 months(free housing).Direct Track is the new airline placement option following the Airline Career Pilot Program. Direct Track provides the fastest way to go from Airline Career Pilot Program graduate to Airline Pilot without flight instructing.Your success in receiving a Regional Airline First Officer job offer is backed by ATP’s exclusive $10,000 rebate guarantee and a guaranteed multi-engine instructor position with ATP.
Aircraft:65 PA-44 seminoles,2 diamond stars(13 on order),16 C-172, Cessna 525 and 501 jets
Price: ACPP=$39,995 DTP=$32,995 Total=$77,985

Comair Academy<--My Favorite
Course:I have recently been getting flyers in the mail from these guys with pics of 777's and 767's that say" We have all the connections" and "Being a subsidiary of Delta, we are now the ONLY accelerated flight training facility serving the entire Delta Connection System." They probably do but I want to see how manypeople were hired by Comair or one of the others. A student taking the traditional program graduates witha minimum of 1000hrs TT, there is the advanced program -10 plus 4 that does the same thing as traditional but gets you out quicker.You can work as a flight instructor and enjoy the benefits of a paid employee of Delta-with free 1st class flights to anywhere Delta flies(An offer I wouldn't mind taking up). And when your finished the hiring airlinepays $20,000 dollars for your First officer training.
Aircraft:More than 110 in total, Piper PA-44,some multi engine ones, and some nice new ones
Price: $53,000 (+or-)

Regoinal Airline Academy
Course:My first impression was how could all of their graduates have an airline job and they only have about 6 planes at each campus.But then I found out that you have your choice of three different regional aircraft ratings included in your training. To tell you the truth I think they have a good offer but I wouldn't apply unless any of my first choicesdidn't work out. But if RAA is "your school", then nevertheless apply apply apply! Just so you know----"Regional Airline Academy has alliances with regional airlines that guarantee interviews for graduates. We offer college degrees and financial aid along with Flight Attendant Training."
Aircraft:22 total aircraft including PA28s, PA28Rs, PA32s and C152s
Price:$45,000(+or-)

How you doing, i am an actual student at RAA in the deland, fl campus and believe me we got more than 22 aircraft, training here is fabulous, the instructors here teach everything you need to know to pass your FAA checkrides and pass your airline interview

[SF3aviatrix]

i am an actual student at RAA.... the instructors here teach everything you need to know to pass your FAA checkrides and pass your airline interview

You had better that happens or you will be in a lot of debt with no where near the flight time required to get a job anyplace else that is not affiliated with the RAA program!

[9V-SGA]

Anyone know how much does the Singapore Flying College charges for private candidates?

[milehigheric]

I say ditch the airline training programs... build your hours the good old [fashioned] way. I was recently looking into qantas's [cadetship], which is very similar to these airline training programs in the US. They customise a course to suit you, depending on previous experience. If you have had no previous flight experience, for 70,000AUD you will have enough ratings to apply for an airline job...but you read the details, the fine print at the [bottom]- "this [cadetship] does not [guarantee] future employment with qantas". And some more details "you will [receive] around 150 hours PIC yada yada yada"-150? to apply for an airline these days, you need at least 1,000TT.... I've heard pilots saying that its really not even worth applying for an airline [until] you get around 1,800TT and pick up every rating that may be [useful]...

I myself do not see [the] point in spending 70,000AUD on a course that will not get you a job at the end anyway. For me it's [gonna] be get a loan, pick up my ratings and licenses (man that sounds simple) then try and get a job in the growing GA that is around my local area. Im hoping to maybe get a job at my flight school- [their] instructor contracts only last for like 600 hours or something, which can mean [their] looking for instructors every 6 months or so... Also Most of my mates would pay 50 AUD to go for an hour flight somewhere, and its only like 170AUD to hire a plane per engine hour here, so for every hour i build i will only pay like 30 AUD for a C172----its all planed out lol

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[dolbinau]

I myself do not see [the] point in spending 70,000AUD on a course that will not get you a job at the end anyway.

Probably because as soon as the word 'Qantas' is invovled you could be considered to have a higher level of training then someone from [following is fictional] 'tugereebaa flight training'.

Eric, I don't see who is going to pay $50 for one hour in the air, And even If they could, It would be an hour every few months which is nothing .

[9V-SGA]

I've checked out the [QANTAS] cadetship and one of the requirements is to be [an] Australian Citizen or permernant resident, which I am neither. Thus, I would like to be a private candidate in the Singapore Flying College and save some of the training bond (years). Currently the training bond for SIA, Singcargo & Silkair is 5-7 years from the date of appointment as first officer.

[milehigheric]

Dolb, when [potential] employers look at your logbook summary and see your flight time, there is no brandname. It doesn't matter whether you trained with qantas or in a dodgy C152 at a really bad flight school. As long as you learn what is in the '[syllabus]' i could say, then you are set...

[dolbinau]

Dolb, when poetential employers look at your logbook summary and see your flight time, there is no brandname. It doesn't matter whether you trained with qantas or in a dodgy C152 at a really bad flight school. As long as you learn what is in the 'sylibus' i could say, then you are set...

I Disagree, Some Flight School's are more well-known and have a better 'reputation' than others, It's the same with High Schools, (Although In Australia employers are not meant to discriminate people based on what school they go to), Parents send their children to 'higher-class' reputable schools, sure, they cost more money, But are they recieving a better education? In alot of cases, Yes!

Sure I guess a licence is a licence no matter how you get there, Slack school or not, but IMO I'm sure some employers would appreciate how you were trained. Maybe Qantas themselves would have more faith in 'one of their own', (Meaning Cadets) than an unknown.

Your resume would include where you were trained, Again, No doubt It sounds better to be trained by Qantas than by (And also again the following does not exist) 'tugereebaa flight training'.

[milehigheric]

Dolb, when poetential employers look at your logbook summary and see your flight time, there is no brandname. It doesn't matter whether you trained with qantas or in a dodgy C152 at a really bad flight school. As long as you learn what is in the 'sylibus' i could say, then you are set...

I Disagree, Some Flight School's are more well-known and have a better 'reputation' than others, It's the same with High Schools, (Although In Australia employers are not meant to discriminate people based on what school they go to), Parents send their children to 'higher-class' reputable schools, sure, they cost more money, But are they recieving a better education? In alot of cases, Yes!

Sure I guess a licence is a licence no matter how you get there, Slack school or not, but IMO I'm sure some employers would appreciate how you were trained. Maybe Qantas themselves would have more faith in 'one of their own', (Meaning Cadets) than an unknown.

Your resume would include where you were trained, Again, No doubt It sounds better to be trained by Qantas than by (And also again the following does not exist) 'tugereebaa flight training'.

Hmmmm i suppose adding things like 'completed qantas's cadetshipp' in your resume may give you that edge if your flight time is the same as your competetors, but with the qantas (or any) caddetshipps you do not reseive much flight time. 150 hours seems like along time but in your logbook its nothing. Most people expect to finish these training programs and come out and get a job in the tough aviation industry-it simply wont happen...

Lets do some maths (note all figures are in $AUD)

Typically the minumums ( i say minimums) to receive your CPL is around 50 grand. Lets just throw in and extra 10 grand to allow for ratings etc..

So lets just say $60,000 (privatley) has me my ratings and around 180TT
Or i could go to a training program, recieve around 150TT, ratings, but pay $70,000.

If i saved that extra 10 grand by going privately i could invest it into building hours....

lets just say $10,000 divided by $200 (rough multi engine aircrarft hire rate) that could be an extra 50 hours, or in total 230TT

So i could 'waste 70 grand on a training course like qanats, recieve ratings and around 150TT

Or go privately, receive the exact same ratings, and around 230TT for the same price... I know which i would choose

Obviously these numbers are way to low to even apply for airline pilot vacancies: but it may be easier to get a job in GA with 230TT compared to 150TT from an airline training course...

In my opinion, more experience is alot more noticable to employers than saying you completed a caddetshipp...get my drift.

But cameron, that 'macair' thing you where telling me about, doesn't sound half bad. To fill everyone in, its a training course with macair (a regional airline in australia) which will provide you all ratings, and garanteed employment with the company for 1 year... put a link up dolb.

[dolbinau]

Unless you have the experience in the first place obviously you wouldn't be in the interview, 150 Hours as a Cadet VS 2000 ANYWHERE; Its obvious who would be 'picked'.


150 Hours is bear minimums, More than likely you'll need more than that ;),

On Completion of the Qantas Cadetship you have around 200 TT.

An extra 50 hours [Private hire] would roughly be $10,000 [If the cost p/hour is $200 as you say], So the prices are (sort of) comparable.

Maclite - http://www.macflite.com

'Training division' of Macair offer a program that Includes employment for 12 months, Would be a great way to build some hours however afterwards you would need to get some PIC Time somewhere .

[StratMatt777]

If anyone is still following this thread, I was incorrect in my post where I said that you get 190hrs of multi at ATP. You get 140 hrs multi, 50 in an AST simulator when you do your IR and 10 in a 172 when you do your single commercial.

If anyone has any questions I'm going to be over at jetcareers in the ATP forum.

I just finished the cross country phase of ATP's program on 12/23 and am about to do my commercial and then go to CFI school on 1/16.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25

[Fast Jet]

Go to www.allATPS.com they are very good and usually very busy because loads of students go there because they are very good. Tell `em who sent you, (I need all the help I can get).

[usairwaysA330]

if you were looking at RAA and DCA you might want to check out Flight Safety in vero beach florida, you do all of your instrument training in a multi engined aircraft and if you stayed and became an instructor you would leave with around 400-600 hours of multi time. its also cheaper around 50-60,000 instead of 80 grand

[inck243]

Hi

I'm planning to be a pilot for my career. I'll be going to college next year, so I need to pick a college where I can major in Aviation.

I want to eventually be a boeing 787 pilot, so i probably need to learn how to fly a boeing 777, because i read somewhere that you only need a few extra training weeks to be able to fly a boeing 787 if you already know boeing 777.

So, can someone check out this program and give me their opinion as to how well this program will prepare me?

http://www.bridgew.edu/Aviation/flighttraining.cfm

I realize that i probably will need to take additional flying lessons after i graduate from this college if i go to it, but do you think that this is a good start to get up to boeing 777?

Thanks

[SF3aviatrix]

... you might want to check out Flight Safety in vero beach florida, you do all of your instrument training in a multi engined aircraft and if you stay and became an instructor you would leave with around 400-600 hours of multi time. its also cheaper around 50-60,000 instead of 80 grand

Hmmm...

Just like the ATP Program, except FS is more expensive. ($37,995 vs $50-60K.) I fly with two guys who got hired with 600TT/450ME eleven months after they started the ATP program.

[Ranger]

Hi

I'm planning to be a pilot for my career. I'll be going to college next year, so I need to pick a college where I can major in Aviation.

I want to eventually be a boeing 787 pilot, so i probably need to learn how to fly a boeing 777, because i read somewhere that you only need a few extra training weeks to be able to fly a boeing 787 if you already know boeing 777.

So, can someone check out this program and give me their opinion as to how well this program will prepare me?

http://www.bridgew.edu/Aviation/flighttraining.cfm

I realize that i probably will need to take additional flying lessons after i graduate from this college if i go to it, but do you think that this is a good start to get up to boeing 777?

Thanks

With all due respect to you and your career aspectations, you need to do a LOT more reading and research. From the tone of your post you think this is all fairly straight forward and simple. It's not. Far from it.

[SF3aviatrix]

I'm planning to be a pilot for my career. I'll be going to college next year, so I need to pick a college where I can major in Aviation.

Not really. Airlines do not care what subject your degree is in, only that you have one.

I want to eventually be a boeing 787 pilot, so i probably need to learn how to fly a boeing 777, because i read somewhere that you only need a few extra training weeks to be able to fly a boeing 787 if you already know boeing 777.

Lets crawl before trying to run, shall we? I wouldn't worry about flying 777s to get qualified for the as of yet unproduced 787. (One can easily go from a narrowbody to a widebody anyway.) Your long term widebody goal needs to be set in motion by a series of more attainable goals first. Worry about how you are going to get your first time building or regional job. Baby steps... Point A to B, not A to Z.

So, can someone check out this program and give me their opinion as to how well this program will prepare me?
http://www.bridgew.edu/Aviation/flighttraining.cfm

As far as aviation universities go, I've never heard of 'em. However, one does not need a degree in aviation to become a pilot. Some suggest NOT getting a degree in aviation just in case you ever need something to fall back on if aviation doesn't work out.

http://www.jetcareers.com/content/view/22/44/

I realize that i probably will need to take additional flying lessons after i graduate from this college if i go to it, but do you think that this is a good start to get up to boeing 777?

Maybe, maybe not. If you have all your ratings & certificates then all you need do after college is gain flight experience via that first 'time building job'. BTW, any aircraft is a good start considering it will be years and years before you get close to a widebody aircraft. Again, baby steps! Smaller goals work up to the larger ones. Your cart is way in front of the horse on this one.

[inck243]

With all due respect to you and your career aspectations, you need to do a LOT more reading and research. From the tone of your post you think this is all fairly straight forward and simple. It's not. Far from it.

i actually have been reading about it for months now .. i know the way i wrote this it seems like it was an overnight job decision but ive wanted to be a pilot for a long time now.
I just dont really like small aircraft as much big ones.... heh thats why i said i liked 777 and 787.

thanks for the info

[usairwaysA330]

Hmmm...

Just like the ATP Program, except FS is more expensive. ($37,995 vs $50-60K.) I fly with two guys who got hired with 600TT/450ME eleven months after they started the ATP program.

Interesting I don't know anything about ATP so i cant comment on them but when i compared the price i meant compared to DCA...

but on a side note how do you feel about the low time pilots flying regional jets... i know some people think it shouldn't be aloud and others who don't care....

[usairwaysA330]

i actually have been reading about it for months now .. i know the way i wrote this it seems like it was an overnight job decision but ive wanted to be a pilot for a long time now.
I just dont really like small aircraft as much big ones.... heh thats why i said i liked 777 and 787.

thanks for the info

yeah dude not putting you down or anything, everything starts out as a dream and then becomes reality, but this industry lives and dies by seniority...so as a young and new pilot you'll start out on the small P.O.S aircraft then work your way up...but a great place to build quality time would be at the night freight operators like AirNet.
but remember airlines look forQUALITY TIME over QUANTITY TIME.