Airlines, abort calls Options

[p3flighteng1]

On a P-3, the pilot, cp, or FE, can call an abort during takeoff roll. I have heard by a Comm pilot that he, or she, is the only one that can do that. Is that true??? FE

[jetracer5]

The captain ALWAYS calls the abort except for anything catastrofic (sp?)... but any crewmember including a jumpseater should bring anything up to the captian that effects the safety of flight. Example....Your on the takeoff roll and the CPT nor the FO notice that the oil pressure is indicating zero. You should say "hey cap...you an't got no oil pressure in ther left engine"(redneck voice) Then the CPT will make the abort call. This is the process at our airline but I would asume all airlines operate in the same manner.

[p3flighteng1]

The captain ALWAYS calls the abort except for anything catastrofic (sp?)... but any crewmember including a jumpseater should bring anything up to the captian that effects the safety of flight. Example....Your on the takeoff roll and the CPT nor the FO notice that the oil pressure is indicating zero. You should say "hey cap...you an't got no oil pressure in ther left engine"(redneck voice) Then the CPT will make the abort call. This is the process at our airline but I would asume all airlines operate in the same manner.

Thanks.........Here in Oak Harbor, with our wonderful NW weather, 8k by 200, 135,000 lbs , rcr 12, anyone sneezes we damn near abort. I guess I find it odd that the CAPT has to call that. He did sign for the plane though right? Thanks again ...FE

[chris_pilot]

I always thought it was a sort of unwritten rule that if anyone in the flight deck mentioned "Go Around" one would be immediately initiated. Better safe than sorry, no?

Cheers,
Chris

[Piltdown Man]

With us the F/O can call "STOP" for any alert, control problems or anything preventing safe flight. I can call "STOP" for anything. Anybody can call a "Go-around".

[AirRabbit]

The captain ALWAYS calls the abort except for anything catastrofic (sp?)... but any crewmember including a jumpseater should bring anything up to the captian that effects the safety of flight.

Another "urban myth." Each airline has its own preferred way of doing business - at least in the US. There isn't any thing prescribed in any rule or in any operating procedure from the manufacturer that dictates who makes "the call" and who makes "the abort." Of course there ARE some airlines that do it the way it is described here. But there are airlines who train the FO to reject the takeoff and expect him or her to do so if it is necessary. Some of those airlines leave the decision to reject to the Captain, and some allow the FO to make the decision.

In fact, I personally believe that changing control of an aircraft to execute an abort, particularly when the aircraft is at a pretty good speed, is just asking for trouble. Listen to almost any pre-takeoff briefing ... the crew always says that if there is a problem after takeoff, they'll just continue with the pilot who made the takeoff continuing to fly. There is certainly less to do under those circumstances and there should be less tension and pressure in the cockpit. However, when there is more tension and more pressure to do it correctly; when there is a potential for serious consequences, THAT is where some airlines insist on having a FO relinquish the controls and let the CAPT take over to reject the takeoff. Very strange indeed!

[p3flighteng1]

Another "urban myth." Each airline has its own preferred way of doing business - at least in the US. There isn't any thing prescribed in any rule or in any operating procedure from the manufacturer that dictates who makes "the call" and who makes "the abort." Of course there ARE some airlines that do it the way it is described here. But there are airlines who train the FO to reject the takeoff and expect him or her to do so if it is necessary. Some of those airlines leave the decision to reject to the Captain, and some allow the FO to make the decision.

In fact, I personally believe that changing control of an aircraft to execute an abort, particularly when the aircraft is at a pretty good speed, is just asking for trouble. Listen to almost any pre-takeoff briefing ... the crew always says that if there is a problem after takeoff, they'll just continue with the pilot who made the takeoff continuing to fly. There is certainly less to do under those circumstances and there should be less tension and pressure in the cockpit. However, when there is more tension and more pressure to do it correctly; when there is a potential for serious consequences, THAT is where some airlines insist on having a FO relinquish the controls and let the CAPT take over to reject the takeoff. Very strange indeed!

Thanks..... For us on an abort, the pilot at controls does the abort and will give the left seater controls while the rudder becomes inaffective so he can then use nose wheel steering. Certain speeds we are going up and dealing with it there at pattern alt. Thanks again....................FE