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 Jan 10 2009, 07:10 PM
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Although this post has died and gone to heaven, I wanted to revive it a bit to post the latest information regarding TSA and their "Large Aircraft Security Program." Those of you in the know you already have access to this information but for those you that that don't... 'Pilots speak out against Large Aircraft Security Program
If the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) had any illusions about how strongly the aviation community feels about their proposed Large Aircraft Security Program, those illusions were dispelled nearly half an hour before a Jan. 6 public hearing—the first of five—ever began. The hearing room, with seating for more than 100, was filled to standing-room-only capacity. AOPA Northeast Regional Representative Craig Dotlo told the TSA that AOPA has some significant concerns with the proposed rule, including outsourcing security oversight (an inherently governmental function), applying commercial standards to general aviation, establishing an arbitrary weight threshold, and leading to the possibility that the program would expand to all GA aircraft and airports.' Read more >>
http://www.aopa.org:80/advocacy/articles/2...;WT.mc_sect=ttsAs I mentioned before, it is up to all of us who fly or work at airports to do our utmost to protect security...we don't need more bureauCRAP. Just the other day homeland security disguised themselves and tried to breach our gates testing us, but we stopped them as they tried to sneak in through our construction gates. One of my co-workers was receiving a load of JetA. As the TSA car tried to enter the gate past our fuel farm, my co-worker saw a movement out of the corner of his eye. He was encrossed in a problem we had that day getting our new fuel farm to receive the fuel. Much to my co-worker's credit, he ran over the car and stood in front of it with both hands up and yelled for the car to stop. After proper identification was presented, they wiggled their finger at him and said, "you just came within 10 feet of a very hefty fine'...whew! I am so glad he was on ball! This is good example of TSA at work and I am happy for it. I just hope we made a favorable impression on them that day. In summary, I want unnessary regulation for charter service and GA. If we stand together and show due diligence, we may stave off more control from the outside which will only inpeed our freedom of flight even more as airports continue to close.
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 Feb 6 2009, 06:20 AM
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Guys!!! What a hot debate !! Pitdown Man, come back! Fact is, yer all right! there is the inside..and the outside.
You are all right. I wish you were all in the Cabinet or Congress or whatever there is for wherever there be! ok?
Becky is concerned with delays restrictions trickling down to GA. Its bad enough as it is, it always has been. On the outside, I have my bags checked, I have to confirm which aircraft I am flying out by showing them -whatever- I have to be escorted when at a none based airport. I have to take my shoes off. I wanted to train in the land of the free and the brave. I had to give my career details - from when I was 9 years old. Every school, address job, telephone number, name of contact, countries visited etc., etc., etc. Thats quite a feat - I am old! (well, sort of). considering the home of my loved friends has been smacked in the mouth on two occasions in history, both `undeclared` and the latter time involving none combatent innocent people in airliners and in office blocks in New York, and, not only but also, in my own country setting off explosives in a crowded tube train again at rush hour is beyond animalistic, inhuman and any form of sanity. Simply travelling on the tube is a monument to human achievent in rush hour, never mind anything happening. Like Pittdown Man I too have been subject to the blasts of the 70s but only as the after math, however, the horror still showed. where I walked to work in a beautiful park - past a delightful little bandstand on a sunny morning with birds twittering and singing and the grass green and lush with the sound of the far off traffic going to work on the Marylebone Road. Next day, the bandstand, what was left of it, was boarded up - after having been blown up the day before. I went down to the biz part of the city - and turned a corner to see half a huge office block hanging off the front off the front - had I have been there a day sooner - Pitdown man caught this actual blast, by the sound of it.
None of this is funny in the least, and must be stopped. There is more than one way to skin a cat. It is true that there must be dialogue, policy, communication. It is of great refreshment to have the new President, and he has many challangies in the future and he will find a way to drive towards an ever surer peace and understanding and mutual and international understanding of all good men of the world to realise and stand up to the tyranny and false ideals put up by the wrinkly old guard of extremist faiths and activities and they will all come to realise that all man wants is peace and that all those who pronounce war are men of little intelligence and VERY little desire for the well-being of all the worlds people - where man, from whatever country, from what ever nation can walk freely in the knowledge that the other man wants peace too. Not just for himself, but for his children and his children`s children. For what is this world, if our children are subject to violence and bomb blasts -we must learn to trust each other and reach out that hand and walk joyful in the land of peace and freedon called Earth. I intelligence is to know that those who drive young people to fanatical acts rarely put themselves on the starting block and never go out to blow THEMSELVES up. No, no, they prey upon those who have a little something wrong with them,or who are mentally ill or who are weak or lonely - they provide them with friendship and emotional and psycholigical comfort, who think there is a big bad monster out there a common enemy, who are TOLD that there is a big bad monster out there. These are innocent peole gone astray by the angers of their elders, who have just enough intelligence to convince these YOUNG and mis-guided people that to hurt and burn and...kill themselves... will achieve great things and they will end up in heaven with a plateful of munchies and a huge packet of corn chips sat in front of the telly with a load of grogeous birds. But it is not true, what they will end up with is being DEAD, whilst hurting and injuring other people who are innocent who just went out to the shops to buy a birthday card for that lonely little old lady down the road.
It is true that there will be dialogue and you have got a GREAT President and you should be very, very proud. Until there is a mutual understanding among all men of the Earth among all peoples - there will still be those, evil, evil, I said, EVIL people who shout and scream and get crowds moving toward anger and hatred, into such a frenzy that they know not what they do, crowd psychology. These people that lead innocent people like this to go off and blow themselves up where also led many years ago in a land where they made people believe there was a magical Father Christmas who would provide them with heaven on earth if they simply invaded a load of countries and annihilated a few million ethnic minorities. Evil men still try it again and again. It is for the young, the young, to realise the obviousness of the war mongering and to turn their back of those who say - ``they are bad - go blow yourself up right next to them - don`t worry about the children - they`re bad too``! The young must realise that this is bad and simply move toward those who speak of peace and dialogue and loving of each other and cherishing of each other and visiting each other`s countries, by airline, and sharing our different ways of life and comparing and learning and meeting new friends.
Until we have dialogue and peaceful living together in harmony as ANY God would want... then we must protect against those thus misguided, mentioned above from putting explosive devices among the innocent and the children. We, NEED this TSA protection and all the other work done by security services all over the world on a round the clock basis, yea, as we speak, which is why things are as they are at present, but not much. (If you drop my post, moderators, I will be.... not glad) They, those who pronounce terrorism are NOTHING TO DO with being freedom fighters, they are not fighting for freedom, they are fighting because of the lack of trust and the deluded, I said deluded opinions of a celebraty star who is put in the position of leader. When the leaders of these countries who advocate going out there and bombing the great supressor - all they are doing is venting their own anger BUT USING innocent peole revved up by the chanting of the crowd. Yea, too in the middle of the desert you can still find `rent-a-gob`
There is space. There is space, there is room to manuevre, the is plenty of peace for all mankind to live at home in peace with his family - we CAN all hold hands, we can, from whatever side of the world we come from ignore those who would incite people to terroism and violence, we can work and live together as brothers and sisters - and this way, the evil will eventually get EMBARRASSED and go away and the good and true will be looked up to and ADORNED for their preservation of peace as opposed to others EVIL desires of hurt, injury, and destruction and humiliation of themselves as terrorists.
There IS space available, we can live together, we can sing in harmony. Whether our children are from the East or from the West - they all play together in the same way, providing the grown ups don`t fill their heads full of misguided, emotional clap- trap based on paranoias and other fears.
And, this time of peace and harmony, WILL COME and will be WELCOME but, naturally, until then, we must protect against someone trying to blow us up.
We must MOVE ON we must forgive and get rid of vengeance and `oh crikey me` what happened yesterday, last year, ten years ago, to my father, to my brother, to my children, to a whole school, on and on and on and on` around it goes and around it comes back again. If we all East and West just stop, take tea and for Gods sake SIT DOWN!!!! and quit further activities OF ANY ....BALLISTIC NATURE in this MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING then we can cut this CANCER out of the world system. How? Why? Because, we know who we are, if we are leaders, and we can change things. We can teach how to trust. We can stop those who will incite violence. We CAN LEAD BY EXAMPLE. To whom am I referring - why, every country`s leader of the world thats who.
Not so long ago, there was a troop of soldiers in Iraq, from somewhere else in the Middle East (I know from where, but I don`t want to incite violence, hmmmm?) and they too were Arab. There was a civvy who thought the moment was cool to start jumping up and down as some cool Arab troops had come into town. Who, by the way, were way cool, really. The leader of the troop from the other Arabian country, calmly grabbed the very jumpy civvy by the arm and held his arm down - the civvy got the message and calmed down. The Arabian troop were there to help keep PEACE they did not need an uprising that afternoon (or any other time) I was proud to have witnessed this, I think the soldier, troop leader was a young Colonel from another Arabian country.
You know, the military leaders know peace too - that is what makes them LEADERS.
The TSA know and want peace, thats why they check your bags.
It IS true, you cannot have total security AND freedom,
for he who wishes for both, will end up with neither. But after unexpected violence of terrorism, then any nation who is a victim to this, simply does NOT KNOW if or where ``THEY`` are going to strike next - so it behoves the Governments of the time and the TSA to make sure it does not happen - I don`t want my daughter on a plane or even in the street, if there is NO security - not until things cool down and the WILL COOL DOWN providing the big guys in the big offices of our nations` leaders - East West, WHATEVER!!! - sit down and sort it out through policy, negotiation, foreign policy and a woldwide universal knowledge that all men and women of the world - just want to get on with it and live. In peace. If only, for the sake of all the worlds children - AT LEAST do it for them. It is NOT Rocket Science.
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Feb 7 2009, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(AirRabbit @ Feb 7 2009, 01:48 AM) [snapback]130114[/snapback] Hey Fast Jet - sometimes the shortest responses are the best responses. This time I'm going to boldly steal Ranger's last input here, and simply say "Oz and Utopia don't exist." Therefore TSA and all the rest of the security services worldwide had better hang around then....but there is the option. It is NOT Oz and Utopia it is a sane desire for peace, and in bad latin I will quote: Si vis pacem preparem bellum. Everyone knows the option. They can take it, or they can simply say Oz and Utopia don`t exist. Well, peace exists if you want to find it. Ignoring people and not responding is not dialogue, but is offensive. If people don`t want peace - then there is plenty of war to go around as each entity strives to protect itself and its women and children against those who care not about who gets blown up - indeed against those who care not even to evacuate their own kids from a war zone but instead launch rockets from small patches of ground where there are children outside and inside in bed injured. ``Hey! Where the f-- did THAT come from!!`` ``Over there!`` ``Right, well fire back over there then!`` duh? ``FIRE!!!`` BOOM. If we want to cut all this c--p of getting hit and, naturally, hitting back and or raising security standards which just happen to irritate some whimpsy pilots because ``ooooh, you`ve delayed me and messed up all my frock..`` then tough titty! There IS room for dialogue (NOT with the terrorists!) and peace CAN be achieved but until then and as long as people say Oz and Utopia don`t exist then we will still NEEEEEEEED! to maintain a HIGH state of alert. This was not any mamby pamby ideal of ever greater depths of absolutes and worldly knowledge - this is stuff we all have to get on with, and the sooner the better. Then, one day, perhaps, hopefully, enshala, God willing, speriamo, on espoire and any other language you want it in - good and peace will prevail especially if the young of today have anything to do with it. Oz and Utopia indeed. I respect and admire you guys, to a point, I don`t expect this cynicism c---p and I TOO would, in fact, I too have just asked our Chief if the young beautiful people out there wannid a hand and if so - am back - head in the shed, try and stop me, but fighting is not the be and end all of everything it is only a temporary defence mechanism to stop us all going up pooom!! (Oz and Utopia indeed!) Sorry, Wabbit, I did`nt mean to get angry, I just can`t figure out how mankind can be so genius on a technological scale and then when it comes to world peace - he just can`t find his a-- with both hands and a hunting dog. I wasn`t getting at you it is just the futility of it all and the numbers getting hit. I say,`` Hug your local TSA man, and wish him a nice day`` and I mean every word. Also, if TSA guys suddenly pull through the entrance in a car, then how the hell do you think the terrorists are going to do it - ``er, excuse me - I`m a terrorist, I just wondered if you could possibly let us in and blow up one or two of your aircraft, we shan`t be too long - thanks awfully`` Nahh? They are gonna drive in to, just like the TSA guys, only, once the real baddies are in then its POOOM time, BIG POOOM, so there sould be no complaint - if you inadvertantly let the TSA guys who are practising through the gate when you should not then you should . . . . find another job!
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Feb 11 2009, 10:37 PM
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Back to TSA Concerns...THIS is what I am talking about...read on.... Dear BECKY, I didn't wait long! I have been president of AOPA for less than six weeks and already I need to make a call to action! A proposed rule to impose comprehensive security requirements on a great many aircraft in the general aviation fleet was pushed out the door by the Bush administration's Transportation Security Administration (TSA) just before they left Washington. It addresses a security threat that doesn't seem to exist. It contemplates that private aircraft with six, seven, eight or more seats might be used as weapons of destruction by terrorists. I have seen many proposed rules during my nearly three decades in Washington. Many have had flaws, but few have been based solely on what someone imagines might happen! That is what this does. By imagining that aircraft weighing over 12,500 pounds might be a threat, the TSA is proposing that a large number of general aviation aircraft owners establish full security programs patterned after the airlines. AOPA and the other general aviation organizations have all voiced opposition to this proposal. We have provided witnesses with considerable expertise in security to testify at TSA hearings across the county. In the face of overwhelming opposition to this measure, the TSA's regulatory process is marching forward. I believe that if one segment of general aviation can be unjustly regulated, then any segment can face the imposition of unfair regulatory burdens. So, this fight is one we all have a stake in, regardless of what type of aircraft we fly. When I say burdensome, let me explain that the TSA has issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) which, if enacted, will apply commercial air carrier security measures to GA aircraft weighing more than 12,500 pounds, regardless of how those aircraft are used. The costly proposal calls for crewmember criminal record checks, watch list matching of passenger manifests, biennial third-party audits of each aircraft operator, and new airport security requirements. The proposal fails to recognize the inherent differences between private and commercial aviation, and it attempts to impose expensive and unnecessary security regulations without justification. All of us in the general aviation community care about security. Over a period of several years we have taken many prudent steps to ensure that our aircraft are secure and not used for hostile purposes. AOPA has been a leader in GA security and has worked with other industry groups to put into place a series of comprehensive policies and programs that work. Having said this, I must tell you that none of this seems to matter to those who proposed this rule. Without pilots speaking out NOW, this rule may become final. If there is any "good news" about the rule-making process, it is that it allows you and other pilots to formally object to this proposal, and to share your thoughts with Congress. I urge you to immediately let the TSA and your representatives in the House and Senate know how you feel. All of us at AOPA will continue to work hard to fight this proposal. But we can't do it alone! When you take action, we all have a better chance of success. We need your help. So please, log onto the AOPA LASP Member Action Center ( http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/gasecurity/index.html ), follow the instructions, and let your voice be heard. AND, PLEASE ACT RIGHT NOW! Sincerely, Craig Fuller AOPA President P.S. The TSA must receive your comments before February 27, so please contact them by e-mail, mail, or fax right away. I also encourage you to send a copy to me at gasecurity@aopa.org and to copy your members of Congress, as well. Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association • 421 Aviation Way • Frederick, MD 21701-4798 800/USA-AOPA • www.aopa.org
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Feb 21 2009, 04:51 AM
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Hey folks, I just got back from a short assignment, I sometimes have to make some money to survive; I don't think I'll be doing this contract any more, let's just say that my safety comes first. I did not balk-off the topic, I was just unable to create chaos and mayhem without some bandwith, and in the land of bad internet and restricted website access, it is difficult to voice your opinion. I am going to ruffle my feathers a bit, and get my research and facts straight, we all know that this is a though crowd to debate with. Ruffling of feathers...started Can of "high hold" airspray dispenser...depleated "very bad for your health" ciggies... found "highly flamable" alcohol....poured "over the top" humor container...filled Breathmint drops...on hand Stand by, just stand by, I look ugly in the morning! P.S: Would any of my old colleagues from the moderation team look into why is it that I cannot upload my avatar. I feel emotional distress, I don't know if I can post without my "camelus dromedari" being proudly displayed for all to see! I am a desert person, I need my camel 
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Feb 21 2009, 05:35 AM
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QUOTE(Becky_KSTS @ Feb 11 2009, 04:27 AM) [snapback]130131[/snapback] Our media, our colleges and our hiding holes provide enough space for terrorism to grow and flourish under the guise of religious freedom and acceptance. Our desire to be friends and save face to the world may well be our downfall. Our apathetic population who would rather bash Bush then be vigilant may see the Trojan Horse in the end. Interesting, I see it the whole opposite way, especially after this week. Usually, there's a reason why people want to attack you. Be it the current attitude towards them or past events but there is one. Usually violence isn't the best way to respond to the attacks, but some often do miss that point. Taking a step back, thinking why you were attacked, what is wrong in the current situation, what people have against you, and acting to solve the situation usually has better results. And I'm pretty confident the new administration is on the good way regarding this. Listening to what others have been telling you for years but was blatantly ignored in a desire to show own power and superiority, trying to solve conflicts instead of fueling them... I see that going for the better. Now mind you I'm not saying everything is over now, it will take time as people rarely forget the things they've endured in the past from one day to another - but if at least you are showing good will to make the situation better I see most of the incentive to fight going away. Now to the usual ridiculous stereotypes and what I was mentioning earlier. I just spent 4 days in Kosovo for work, a country that just celebrated their first year of independence after many years of war and conflicts. The main religion there is Islam (albeit a pretty lax interpretation of it), but on Independence day many people would proudly wear the American flag on the capital's main street - the Bill Clinton Boulevard. Being helpful to people in improving their own situation pays a lot more than trying to impose your views to them.
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 Nov 25 2009, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(Becky_KSTS @ Feb 11 2009, 05:27 AM) [snapback]130131[/snapback] At the risk of being flamed and TSA concerns aside for the moment, here is my take on terrorism. Terrorism by the Islam fascists (the extremists) will not hit us from the obvious. They are smart and know our weakness. Our media, our colleges and our hiding holes provide enough space for terrorism to grow and flourish under the guise of religious freedom and acceptance. Our desire to be friends and save face to the world may well be our downfall. Our apathetic population who would rather bash Bush then be vigilant may see the Trojan Horse in the end. God help us and I hope that I am wrong. So do I Becky. I hope you are wrong too. I love that last post. I agree with you entirely. I fear you are not wrong at all. You know - sometimes some radical extremist insane people make videos about foreign forces being in their country. This gives the terrorists a sense of belonging and reason for living. They are an insult to Muslims and they are corrupting the name of Islam. They are using the stupid excuse that the jihad thing is to repel the invaders, which is total c--p and the reason it is total c--p is that it is just an excuse - any excuse to go and blow themselves up because they believe the c--p of tw-ts. Well, if they want the Brits and the Yanks and the other forces to leave their country (which is not their country anyway, unless they live there - and if they lived there then they would be screaming at the co-alition to get rid of the bombs which keep going off bang). No, no, they (the self appointed terrorists) just like the idea of world travel and the destruction of all that is good and true and a cowardly way out of their miserable existence by blowing themselves up, they just like the excitement. they do not realise that they will soon be forgotten - and that poppy-cock stupidity that they will be in heaven with loads of sexy virgins is crap too - God/Allah will not entertain people who kill innocent women and children by walking up to them in a market and blowing themselves up. I have the solution for getting the international world`s security forces out of the desert lands -it is soooo simple, but the terrorists will not be happy with my solution because it is too SANE and too LOGICAL. You want to get rid off the troops?? Easy! A message to the Terrorists. S T O P F I R I N G. O N T H E T R O O P S! ! ! A N D T H E Y W I L L G E T B O R E D. A N D THEY WILL, P H U Q U E O F F H O M E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO STOP SHOOTING AT THE POOR OLD SOLDIERS AND I PROMISE YOU MISGUIDED RACIST ATHEISTS THAT THEY, THE TROOPS WILL BE BACK IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY WITHIN A MONTH. IF YOU ARE INTELLIGENT - AND WANT THE RESPCT OF NATIONS AND THE WORLD - THEN TRY IT. IF YOU ARE STUPID AND WANT TO BLOW UP YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS BECAUSE SOME PERSON WHO IS IN A SAFE POSITION HAS FILLED YOUR HEADS WITH CLAP TRAP RUBBISH THEN CARRY ON. IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE WORLD - IF YOU WANT ALLAH TO SHINE UPON YOU AND RESPECT AND LOVE YOU JUST AS YOU LOVE HIM - THEN QUIT FIRING AT THE TROOPS!!! IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - IT IS NOT DIFFICULT - DUH - TO UNDERSTAND - LIFE IS SOOOO SIMPLE. DON`T LET PEOPLE OTHER PEOPLE FILL YOUR YOUNG BRAINS WITH C--P, C--P WHICH WILL KILL YOU AND INJURE THE INNOCENT - UNLESS OF COURSE, YOU HATE THE WORLD, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU HATE GODS CHILDREN, UNLESS OF COURSE YOU WANT TO BE HATED AND THE NAME OF YOUR FAMILY TO BE FORGOTTEN THEN IGNORE THIS MESSAGE. THOSE WHO WISH TO BE CLEAN WILL BE CLEAN AND THOSE WHO WISH TO BE DIRTY WILL BE DIRTY. AND LISTEN TO THIS. WHILE YOU ARE BLOWING YOURSELVES UP AND TAKING INNOCENT CHILDREN WITH YOU THE EXTREMIST CLERICS ARE STUFFING THEIR FACES FULL OF DINNER WONDERING WHAT TO PREACH NEXT. THEY ARE SAFE. THEY ARE NOT DEAD. THEY DON`T NEED VIRGINS, THEY HAVE GOT WIFEYS UH HUH. OR WHAt EVER. THEIR NAMES ARE ALIVE BUT WHEN YOU ARE BOMBED DEAD YOU NAME WILL BE QUICKLY FORGOTTEN FOR NO-ONE WANT S TO KNOW A TERRORIST. SO TUNR TO THOS WHO ASK YOU TO DO THESE BAD THINGS IN THE NAME OF JIHAD AND SAY TO THEM - "YOU GO YOURSELF ANF BLOW YOURSELF UP!! AND THEY WILL FILL YOUR HEAD WITH MORE S--T BUT THEY WILL NOT GO AND DO IT FOR THEY ARE COWARDS AND ARE THINKING ABOUT DINNER!!!! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE FOR GOD`S SAKE!!!! PEOPLE HAVE TO BE FREE - NOT TO BE F--KED ABOUT BY YOU GUYS.
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Mar 20 2010, 08:15 AM
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QUOTE(AirRabbit @ Feb 7 2009, 01:48 AM) [snapback]130114[/snapback] Hey Fast Jet - sometimes the shortest responses are the best responses. This time I'm going to boldly steal Ranger's last input here, and simply say "Oz and Utopia don't exist." Well, clever response! Really! With an attitude like that then - stay with it! Because, it will never exist with that attitude you just displayed - a bit narrow, especially for you Rabbit. You still don`t see it do you? Neither does Ranger - with whom I have great admiration and respect. We aint willy nilly, we would like to try and fix it so it don`t break again - geddit? And please listen in - PLEASE!! You guys get the impression that WE are foreigners - well, that is your freedom - fine - but we may not share this same view so feverishly. . . .brother! Before I go on, I studied with the Yanks - and have deep, I mean DEEP friendships with many Americans. The Pilgrim Fathers went over there - and there you all are. You wanted independence, fought for it and got it - but we are still of the same blood - dude. Also, and I hate to do this - we aint necessarily all that far apart considering all of us, but ALL of us in areas of present day hell are coming back minus the odd limb or injured in other ways because we went to war because some **I have a dirty mouth** hole drove a pair of full 76s into a goddamn building full of people. I think you guys have shown great restraint - but - but - we are in the same shabuble so please stop this `you and us`type of s--t!!!! Please! Both of you!!!! Rabbit and Ranger! This is what p----d Piltdown Man off is that you reacted to the 9/11 hit and seemingly by your comments refuse to entertain the fact that there just might, might, be a method of quelling the waves, diplomatically, with a view to future world peace. That is all we are saying, is give peace a chance ( I know - its a goddamn song by the Beatles. . ) and the way to do this is through diplomatic processes. You/We/Us all need the MIL and to have the ability to kick a-s if a war situation arises - best to try and muck along without war if possible, and, at the same time preparum bellum, and have teams who can crack a nut with a hammer - BUT - One of the greatest displys of restraint of the last 50 0dd years was by JFK (The President of the United States of America) in the 60`s when Russia started loading Nuclear Missles into Cuba. All anyone in the diplomatic chain had to do at that time was sneeze and you and Ranger and I would not be having this internet conversation - and all of our children - yours, Ranger`s and mine would not exist in the landscape of a Nuclear desert. Only the sound of the wind blowing would be heard - except - there would be no-one and nothing to hear it. Yep, JFK with his like minded team, literally saved the world from a nuclear war and Mutually Assured Destruction or MAD for short. But, JFK and, in fact all the rest of his team - held onto this most delicate, delicate balance of negotiations without letting their d-cks rule their minds and, tentatively steered the world away from M.A.D. Mutually Assured Destruction. That was JFK - THAT was J.F.K. did you like HIM around? `Cos he saved yours and everyone`s a-s!! Now, we have another less technical more insiduous evil - and there are other JFK type people around who are trying to do the same thing - and hey, everyone is het up, ok? There are those who can and will kick a-s!! Although this solution may be tempting for some - it would kind of magnify current dusty duties, where everyone would lose and, hey, we all turn to dust, some f--king UTOPIA! Just wait a minute - please!!! Russia - who was able to blow us up in 4 mins in the 60`s - got some new kit in later years. This kit could instantly detect a launch from the States ok? Unfortunately, one or two hiccups existed in the early stages of the programme - so that when the sun rose over the horizon the sensors in the satellite triggered off a launch warning - in fact several launch warnings, that told the Russians that a shower of goodies was on its ballistic way from the land of the free at 3 am. A Russian Officer on duty - had to quickly analyse the situation/confirm and evaluate with his superiors at (3 am) and basically get all round clearence not to DROP the entire globe and at the same time - continue the normal process of preparing for a multiple strike - whilst trying to strategically and tactically try and make the game plan - winnable - fair game, fair game. Point? If it were not for the deft and skill of the young Russian officer and the protocol of the Russian military and the situation at that time - we would not be having this conversation, yet again. This last act of restraint was quite recent within the last decade or two. Now the "mother f---rs" have done a 9/11 AND a 7/7 after having done a Pearl Harbour in the 40`s. Pearl was another unprovoked attack - no warning - just "lets go bomb the Americans" appalling behaviour. So, you have plenty of reason to be brassed off. Hey! --- I see it! After 9/11 - all the young people, and the families and people of - Iran, came out into the night with candles - crying - thousands of them - to pray for, in respect of, the poor victims of the 9/11 bombing of America. Indeed, the whole world mourned - WE certainly did. Then - there was Iraq, so in we all go - and there it is. . . now. So cr-p is the entire situation, that a diplomatic solution would be really a nice idea - meanwhile, back at camp, the fighting goes on. We (that is YOU AND us mate!!!!) (despite any supposed `rhetorical cowardice` as you so gently put it) are fighting to stop further 9/11s and 7/7s and THEY think we went over there to take over and invade - not true, not true. I mean, who wants to live there? Duh? You see - this is a world thing. It is not a religious thing. It in not an Israeli thing. It is not a Jewish thing - or a UK thing, or a Jihad thing or even a yeeeha!! thing, it is a WORLD thing and world rules apply - just as they did in the 60`s when JFK saved the WORLD from imminent disaster - just as that young Russian Officer in the control room at 3 am saved the world from immediate disaster. We cannot - ONLY and JUST kick **I have a dirty mouth**. sometimes, Rabbit, I mean, sometimes, we have to restrain ourselves and not SMACK the guy next to us. This was my response to your`s and Ranger`s Utopia does not exist. AND, despite that fact that you hung around for ages in the 40`s and Winston Churchill came begging for help and the fact that you did diddly poop, diddly poop, while we tried to oust Hitler who was blazing a trail all over Europe - big time - and who fancied killing a few million Jews - until the time that Pearl Harbour got it in the cheek - then you came, nice of you to come - despite that - when Bush asked for a hand - we were there, and hey, we are still there - and, as we speak - some beautiful young, perfectly healthy BRIT has just lost half his/her body - along side a US Marine, who has perhaps just died in a world so far away it is freaky, I mean freaky. We did not go in because we are in the same club called nato, although, there are club rules of membership - we did not go straight to your aid because Blair was supposedly running around after Bush - we went in because 2 76s had been vaporised in a tower block in New York on 9/11 and there was proven evidence that Saddam was letting the terrorist trainees train on his land - and - there was clear and unevokable evidence that WE were in the line of fire for a ballistic nuclear baby to come hurtling over the horizon and that we would have approx 40 mins (tops) of warning. In addition to this Saddam nailed an entire village of his own people with a gas attack and killed every one of them - and there was the time when an entire population of Kurds were stranded on top of a mountain, in the winter, crying for help from anyone who would listen - cold, wet and starving, sick and exhausted. So, in order to stop all this happening - we went into Iraq, unfortunately, Afghanistan Taliban and other crinkly-faced leaders, wanted a taste of extremism and also wanted to enslave the people of Afghanistan and use young underage, unwilling, female children for their evening`s entertainment - the children, who would be stoned to death for adultry by the way because that is their law. Its not about politics, its not about gas or oil or ideology it is about the fact that one side of the world -the West - want to live in peace and just get on with it, and the other side of the world - the Taliban want bloodshed and terrorism and to f--k young girls - after getting stoned on hashish. Their leaders are quick to rile groups to anger and violence, they would like the media glare and the fame - in fact they could not lead a p-ss up in a brewery - yet they have local power - and all the normal day to day people want to do is get on with their lives and try to survive the best they can. So, the Taliban leaders fill their young lad`s heads full of sh-t and tell them that the troops are there to invade/take over/crusades/etc/etc/etc which is total and absolute bollo-ks and lies. All, but all, the troops want to do is stabilise the regions away from this disgusting way of carrying on so that the people of Afghanistan can go about their daily lives and business and live in peace - and not bomb the innocent - i.e., you and me and Ranger and also so that the young little girls don`t get raped and so that the young boys and men don`t end up blowing there little lives up near a truckload of troops who want no more than a peaceful Afghanistan and to bug-er off back home. Unless someone is a national Afghani or a hash freak or a tourist, there is not much there for a guy born in the West. As you are well aware. So we see, there are very cool people in the world`s population including Iran, nice - but then, after clearly mourning the deaths of all those of 9/11 the leader of Iran then goes on telly a decade or so later saying he wants to hit Israel - I mean - seriously, what a tw-t (spelled with an "a" not an "i") what a thing to do - world leaders do not do this unless they are nuts. So, one half of the world is trying to get on peacefully then you get this di-khead saying hit the Israelis - THEN Mr.Israel comes on T.V., giving a graphic description of what will happen to Iran if Iran hits them. I mean,. hey guys, seriously, we are living in an insane, I said, INSANE world - but Kennedy in the 60`s and the Kennedy family and the Presidential team at that time - knew that. So WE that is YOU AND RANGER and I and all those beautiful, young coalition troops of different nations of the world are in the same team of world peace makers who are trying to make a difference and putting the rest of their lives at extraordinary risk (from the age of 19 say). So - we are all in this same s-it together. Ok, mate? Sir. Whether we are from the North Pole or the South Pole - we are all in this s-it together - until there is peace and their government`s authorities are running their own society where everyone is happy then we can all go home. Incidently: They Crucified Jesus, they Crucified Martin Luther King and, hey!---- They crucified JFK as well ! --and also Bobby Kennedy who was instrument in the negotiations between American and the USSR and who created a peaceful outcome. -and what did all these good people have in common?! THEY WERE ALL SANE. And, yet, check it out! ! We couldn`t find hitler and nail his a-s! We can`t find osama, they never found the guy who took out Martin Luther King and the gentle people all voted for babbas to be released and to nail Jesus Christ to the cross. Well, well, well. ". . . and I say to myself, , , what a wonderful world. . "
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QUOTE(Harmattan96 @ Feb 21 2009, 10:51 AM) [snapback]130197[/snapback] Hey folks, I just got back from a short assignment, I sometimes have to make some money to survive; I don't think I'll be doing this contract any more, let's just say that my safety comes first. I did not balk-off the topic, I was just unable to create chaos and mayhem without some bandwith, and in the land of bad internet and restricted website access, it is difficult to voice your opinion. I am going to ruffle my feathers a bit, and get my research and facts straight, we all know that this is a though crowd to debate with. Ruffling of feathers...started Can of "high hold" airspray dispenser...depleated "very bad for your health" ciggies... found "highly flamable" alcohol....poured "over the top" humor container...filled Breathmint drops...on hand Stand by, just stand by, I look ugly in the morning! P.S: Would any of my old colleagues from the moderation team look into why is it that I cannot upload my avatar. I feel emotional distress, I don't know if I can post without my "camelus dromedari" being proudly displayed for all to see! I am a desert person, I need my camel For God`s sake - give him his camel!! ( Camel cigarettes - didn`t have this problem ! )
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