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 Jul 24 2006, 12:17 PM
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Well, I will just say one thing. Why do you think my religon is the truth? Why do we call it the truth? Why do you call God just god? He has a name, just like all of us. He is a god. What if there was a boy with no name. We would just say, hay boy can you help me with this, or Hows it going boy? Lets just end your hate against my religon and stay on topic. I have said it many times here in this topic. We do not accept blood transfusions because we believe in resurection. To Jehovah, we are just dust. That is becuse, if we are creamated, what are we? JUST DUST. Adem was made from dust, and to dust he shall return. Adem and Eve disobeyed Jehovah and ate the fruit of the tree God told them not to. Satan tricked them into doing it. Now notice, how if you see Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door, they are nicely dressed, and if your not interested, they just say have a dood day, and walk away? They don't try to talk to you if you don't want them too. We are respectful, don't smoke, don't drink, and don't curse. Now, it is OK to have a drink every once in a while, but not to get drunk on it. I am not bragging. If anyone has another comment, a PM would be highly appreciaited!
Here is a link to history of Jehovah's Witnesses.
www.wikipedia.org
type in the box Jehovah's Witnesses and read a little about it.
I don't want to see anymore about this in this topic, please feel free to PM me.
Armegedon will be Jehovah's Day. That will be the day he wipes out all the disbeleivers. After Armagedon, this Earth will be a beutiful Paradise, with just Jehovah's Witnesses. The Blind will see again, the Deaf will hear again, and no resident will say I am sick. This is the way, walk in it. Jehovah's road is a nice sunny road to everlasting life with joyfulkness, and happiness. Satans road, is the raod to Armagedon, to Violnece, and to lovers of money, and lovers of themselves. Which road do you rather take? The happy one, or the violent one? Remember, PM me. I don't want to see anything else about this in this topic. This topic is about if you were felling down, and it's not now, but it should resume that purpose, PM me.
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Jul 24 2006, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(Spirit MD-81 @ Jul 24 2006, 05:17 PM) [snapback]95569[/snapback] Well, I will just say one thing. Why do you think my religon is the truth? Why do we call it the truth? Why do you call God just god? He has a name, just like all of us. He is a god. What if there was a boy with no name. We would just say, hay boy can you help me with this, or Hows it going boy? Lets just end your hate against my religon and saty on topic. I have said it many times here in this topic. We do not accept blood transfusions because we believe in resurection. To Jehovah, we are just dust. That is becuse, if we are creamated, what are we? JUST DUST. Adem was made from dust, and to dust he shall return. Adem and Eve disobeyed Jehovah and ate the fruit of the tree God told them not to. Satan tricked them into doing it. Now notice, how if you see Jehovah's Witnesses come to your door, they are nicely dressed, and if your not interested, they just say have a dood day, and walk away? They don't try to talk to you if you don't want them too. We are respectful, don't smoke, don't drink, and don't curse. Now, it is OK to have a drink every once in a while, but not to get drunk on it. I am not bragging. If anyone has another comment, a PM would be highly appreciaited.
Here is a link to history of Jehovah's Witnesses.
www.wikipedia.org
type in the box Jehovah's Witnesses and read a little about it.
I don't want to see anymore about this in this topic, please feel free to PM me. I'm disregarding your request. Sorry. You DO curse. You cursed in that topic which you ended up apologising for, so you've gone against your religion there. Nobody has actually said that they hate your religion., just that some practises are particularly vile such as denying a person life. Third. Last time I looked, I wasn't made of dust... we're made from atoms. What you've just said sounds like it has been ripped from the Gladiator film. QUOTE We do not accept blood transfusions because we believe in resurection. In your book or whatever you have (not an expert) where does it say "You must not accept another man's blood"? It doesn't.. does it. So there is nothing wrong with that. I like cake, but it doesn't mean I can't eat cookies. Make sense? Nobody is trying to "dis" you or something, just potentially trying to save your life.
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Jul 24 2006, 02:47 PM
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Well, at the end of the day, I dont believe Jehova, God or whoever is going to destroy the non-believers and just let Jehovas witnesses live on the earth. You die, thats it. The body goes into the ground, and then the worms eat you, 'yumyum' and then the worms die and trees use the nutrients and they grow and grow nice leaves. And then the leaves fall off during Autumn and then rot and during Spring the trees take the nutrients from the leaves back up again and make blossom, and.......
Oh, and if you're crimated, you burn, turn to ashes, and then thrown over a hillside.
Now, if you have the faith in saying 'I believe I will be resurrected', then thats OK, I'm just saying my views.
I dont personally have the faith to say 'I can kill myself now by refusing medicine, and then I will come back to life again'. And besides, the earth will soon be destroyed by the expanding of the sun as it begins to die (but notice how (to the best of my knowledge) this wasnt directly addressed in the Bible because, to the best of my knowledge, when it was written noone knew about a star's life cycle. Sorry if anything there is wrong, I would back it up with evidence but I dont want to read the whole Bible just to find a quote which suggests otherwise. Anyway, so people may be resurected but then they will all be wiped out when the sun gobbles up the entire earth in one big gulp.
As I see it, we have one chance. Just the one. We can believe we have another but at the end of the day it doesnt mean it will happen. I think we should all die fighting for our lives, to an extent anyway. By refusing medicine on religious grounds appears to me to be throwing your life away. Medicine has been proven, religion hasnt.
And anyway, this makes me think 'what is the meaning of life?'. Is it to please God? To pass your GCSEs? To make lots of money? To make theworld a better place? No. I dont think so. We all die and then those who we try and improve the world for will also die. We are on holiday on the earth, and we can never visit again. If someone offers a way to stay on holiday for longer, dont decline because you think you will be able to come again later on, because as I see it, you wont.
I know this is off topic, but I think as long as things are said respectfully, then is it such a bad thing if we all get to debate about something? Of course, people should still post if they are feeling down here.
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 Jul 24 2006, 06:53 PM
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I'm surprised you are writing things like this about Spirit's religion. Religion is faith, not really a scientific thought. So maybe we aren't made of dust but religion helps people feel better, and in some cases helps even more then that. That's why there is faith, to think beyond the obvious and beyond science and facts in order to feel like there is a better world. And with it, there really is a better world. Now just to tell you I'm am very interested in modern sciences and support many scientists of many different times but I don't forget about the religion. Religion is really more complicated and advanced then our modern world but which ever way you believe or if you believe both like me, believe in it STRONGLY. Also, for the part that it doesn't say directly "Blood transfusion isn't allowed", religious books like the Bible don't work this way, the text isn't presented easily as that. You have to understand it. Another good reason to not believe in medicine is that it helps us evolve. Now as we rely on machines and medicines if there won't be any left we will die eventually. BTW I find your religion very interesting and I would like to know more about it. Now let's summarize it this way, your life is in your own hands. Do what you want to do, as long as you believe in what you do. It doesn't hurt to know a bit about other religions and now why don't we stop talking about this and go ahead with the topic. Spirit, excuse us if we hurt you, no one meant to really do so. 
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Jul 24 2006, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE(EL-AL @ Jul 24 2006, 11:53 PM) [snapback]95631[/snapback] I'm surprised you are writing things like this about Spirit's religion. Religion is faith, not really a scientific thought. So maybe we aren't made of dust but religion helps people feel better, and in some cases helps even more then that. That's why there is faith, to think beyond the obvious and beyond science and facts in order to feel like there is a better world. And with it, there really is a better world. Now just to tell you I'm am very interested in modern sciences and support many scientists of many different times but I don't forget about the religion. Religion is really more complicated and advanced then our modern world but which ever way you believe or if you believe both like me, believe in it STRONGLY. Also, for the part that it doesn't say directly "Blood transfusion isn't allowed", religious books like the Bible don't work this way, the text isn't presented easily as that. You have to understand it. Another good reason to not believe in medicine is that it helps us evolve. Now as we rely on machines and medicines if there won't be any left we will die eventually. BTW I find your religion very interesting and I would like to know more about it. Now let's summarize it this way, your life is in your own hands. Do what you want to do, as long as you believe in what you do. It doesn't hurt to know a bit about other religions and now why don't we stop talking about this and go ahead with the topic. Spirit, excuse us if we hurt you, no one meant to really do so. Last time I checked, suicide was illegal. We aren't being nasty, just pointing out some home truths. I don't know why we have to apologise just because we are questioning a religion. I'm fed up of taboo subjects.
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Jul 24 2006, 09:09 PM
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Yes, we have to stick to the topic or it will just be locked and that will be such a shame...As some of you will know. I have been on holiday down in the South of England, but part of the "Holiday" was to see my friend who has terminal brain cancer. she had lung cancer, and had chemotherapy to try and reduce it, but then the surgeons discovered that it has now spread to her brain, and there is nothing they can do except give her steroids to try to prolong her life. She was cheery enough , but she just did not look like the same lady at all as her face had altered due to the side effects of the steroids, as she put it .. it made her look like a squirrel. and her feet were so swollen, that she could not walk..I almost cried when it was time to go and when her husband said that when she was better he would hold a street party (knowing full well that was not going to happen).
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Jul 24 2006, 10:05 PM
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wel im feeling...i dont know, i would say a little uneasy to say the least. on the 10th of this month a woman who lived not even 1 minute from my house went missing. nobody knew anything of anything until 4 days ago when police came to check the house. i do not know the whole story but they searched and found some blood, and got forensics in to check things out. so after a few days of search, her remains were found buried in the back garden!!  the man who is in custody for it was reported asking the neighbours the night she went missing if they had an axe! today he got charged with murder and is being sentenced next week! now im sorry if its gruesome or morbid to anyone but its how i feel and its a little scary that this stuff happens on my doorstep  edit :heres the link to the info http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotlan...nds/5210262.stmpaul
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Jul 24 2006, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE(jumbolvr @ Jul 24 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]95674[/snapback] wel im feeling...i dont know, i would say a little uneasy to say the least. on the 10th of this month a woman who lived not even 1 minute from my house went missing. nobody knew anything of anything until 4 days ago when police came to check the house. i do not know the whole story but they searched and found some blood, and got forensics in to check things out. so after a few days of search, her remains were found buried in the back garden!! the man who is in custody for it was reported asking the neighbours the night she went missing if they had an axe! today he got charged with murder and is being sentenced next week! now im sorry if its gruesome or morbid to anyone but its how i feel and its a little scary that this stuff happens on my doorstep paul How does this relate to blood transfusions? Huh? Stay on topic please. Oh wait, you are actually BACK on topic.  Anyway, your story is plenty creepy! 
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Jul 24 2006, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(jumbolvr @ Jul 24 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]95674[/snapback] wel im feeling...i dont know, i would say a little uneasy to say the least. on the 10th of this month a woman who lived not even 1 minute from my house went missing. nobody knew anything of anything until 4 days ago when police came to check the house. i do not know the whole story but they searched and found some blood, and got forensics in to check things out. so after a few days of search, her remains were found buried in the back garden!! the man who is in custody for it was reported asking the neighbours the night she went missing if they had an axe! today he got charged with murder and is being sentenced next week! now im sorry if its gruesome or morbid to anyone but its how i feel and its a little scary that this stuff happens on my doorstep edit :heres the link to the info http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotlan...nds/5210262.stmpaul Scary stuff! Atleast they caught him though.
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Jul 25 2006, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE(Spirit MD-81 @ Jul 22 2006, 09:15 PM) [snapback]95384[/snapback] At least you have a grandmother. I lost both my grandparents, both great grandparents. My Grandfather died of internal bleeding, we do not accept blood transfusions, bucuse I believe in resurrection. My grandmother died from Alshiemers Disease, and a Brain Cancer. Some day I hope to see them again. And I lost my other set of grandparents. My Great Grandmom is still alive, and pretty sure doing well. She's 92 or 93. Born in 1912. She lives about forty miles from me in Absecon. Well, let me tell you something, I had the best dang grandparents anyone could hope to have. My Poppop, worked at my uncles autobody, and Grammy was a homemaker, just did things around the house. Sometimes me and my sisters called her Gramcracker.  I will always have memories, and will see them again in the Paradise Earth it was meant to be. look man i'm so sorry for your grandfather, even though i don't agree with your religion, but i do agree that you will see him in heaven one day. I hope you don't feel effected on what these horrible heartless people said about you and you religious views. i totally respect you man. don't pay no attention to them. you know your bigger than that. just keep your head high and brush off any negative people. cheers mate 
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Jul 25 2006, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE(alex-y @ Jul 25 2006, 06:37 AM) [snapback]95703[/snapback] I hope you don't feel effected on what these horrible heartless people said about you and you religious views. i totally respect you man. don't pay no attention to them. you know your bigger than that. just keep your head high and brush off any negative people. cheers mate Horrible heartless people? Is that aimed at me and charliepapa? I sometimes think just because I dont believe in other people's religions I am expected to apologize for expressing my views. He told us all about what he believes and his religion, am I not allowed to say what I think? I didnt mean it in a hurtful way, and I still say that it is his choice and I totally respect what he believes, but that does not mean I have to agree with it and does not mean I am not allowed to express my views on it either. This kind of thing makes me feel down. That noone can express their opinions without others becoming upset and then complaining people are being thoughtless because they didnt agree with something someone else believes in. Does that sentence make any sense?
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Jul 25 2006, 06:46 AM
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QUOTE(c150student @ Jul 25 2006, 04:32 AM) [snapback]95734[/snapback] Horrible heartless people? Is that aimed at me and charliepapa? I sometimes think just because I dont believe in other people's religions I am expected to apologize for expressing my views. He told us all about what he believes and his religion, am I not allowed to say what I think? I didnt mean it in a hurtful way, and I still say that it is his choice and I totally respect what he believes, but that does not mean I have to agree with it and does not mean I am not allowed to express my views on it either.
This kind of thing makes me feel down. That noone can express their opinions without others becoming upset and then complaining people are being thoughtless because they didnt agree with something someone else believes in. Does that sentence make any sense? well mate some of your comments seem to be hurtful and disrespectful towards spirit. you are allowed to speak your mind, but theres some things that you t shouldn't say, and it should be kept to your self, because you aren't the only one with feelings and other might take some offence to it.
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Jul 25 2006, 06:56 AM
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QUOTE(alex-y @ Jul 25 2006, 11:46 AM) [snapback]95736[/snapback] well mate some of your comments seem to be hurtful and disrespectful towards spirit. you are allowed to speak your mind, but theres some things that you t shouldn't say, and it should be kept to your self, because you aren't the only one with feelings and other might take some offence to it. Ok, I kind of get where you're coming from. I know sometimes things can come across as heartless when they're not meant to and that sometimes religion is a touchy subject for some people and some things should be left in your head, not said (or typed in this case)... But: QUOTE(c150student @ Jul 25 2006, 11:32 AM) [snapback]95734[/snapback] Horrible heartless people? Is that aimed at me and charliepapa? I sometimes think just because I dont believe in other people's religions I am expected to apologize for expressing my views. He told us all about what he believes and his religion, am I not allowed to say what I think? I didnt mean it in a hurtful way, and I still say that it is his choice and I totally respect what he believes, but that does not mean I have to agree with it and does not mean I am not allowed to express my views on it either.
This kind of thing makes me feel down. That noone can express their opinions without others becoming upset and then complaining people are being thoughtless because they didnt agree with something someone else believes in. Does that sentence make any sense? C150 does have a good point. If people can't express their own opinions then what's the point? What has the world come to...? It's like "The Nanny State" taking over the UK at the moment... where Health and Safety rules have completely taken the fun out of everything... apparently everything can harm you now  You even have to wear safety goggles to play conkers. You simply can't say that people "aren't" allowed to express their own opinions. Sometimes these own opinions can come across as hurtful like I said before... but I'm pretty sure they weren't meant that way. QUOTE(charliepapa @ Jul 25 2006, 11:39 AM) [snapback]95735[/snapback] Yeh.. it makes me feel "down" too.  LOL!! On the note of the topic. I feel down because I had to get up at 10am this morning Usually I don't get up until 12pm at the earliest!!! Dan.
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Jul 25 2006, 08:03 AM
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How did this topic stray back to religion? It is about feeling down and we have aired that part of it enough i think..or it is just going to become an ongoing argument with everyone thinking they are right.
Anyway what jumbolvr was saying about the woman who disappeared made me think about a strange thing which happened just a couple of weeks ago.
I was cycling along the towpath on the Monday. and I passed this tent. i thought nothing of it as i guessed the person was in the woods as there seemed to be no one fishing . Anyway I met my friends and we had a cuppa and a chat, and then this guy came along on his bike to say that the tent was there yesterday and that nothing seemed to have been moved, so that was it, off my friend and I walked to the tent. We looked around but nothing there.. a rucksack, some food, bottles of juice, and i went into the woods and gave shout incase someone was hurt maybe . Nothing, but the next minute we looked at the edge of the water and saw a fishing rod. it had been left in.the water. That was enough for us so we phoned the police, who came out. They had a look around too..(bearing in mind that none of us touched anything)..they then sent for the tracker dogs, who found nothing, and finally the underwater team.. but so far we have not heard what the outcome of that was.. but it is odd...and I really hope that no one died...but it is not explained at all...I suppose i went off topic too...sorry!!
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