Airbus Eyes 3 New Planes To Do Battle With Boeing (as If) Options

[boeing777.300ER]

Airbus is to offer Two new Mid-size A/C, on top of the A350/370, to do battle with BOEING, with their 777 and 787 models. All i can say lets see! ( BRING IT ON)
http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1152883476.html

ps, This is not "a" verus "B" Topic!

[Going_around_aga...]

( BRING IT ON)


ps, This is not "a" verus "B" Topic!

Interesting read

"First deliveries, which Airbus had hoped to begin in 2010, will likely slip to 2012, with some versions even later."

Let's see if this is the same in a couple years time

[Dan_Taylor]

Well, a report (posted over at A.net) has stated that the A350 will now have a slightly better range and a slightly wider cabin floor than the 787. But, I still think it's too late for the A350 to overtake the 787 sales wise... it can at least put up a fight though.

Perhaps Boeing, in the future, would go for a re engined 777 with maybe a slight change elsewhere in the design to increase efficiency and to compete with this "proposed" 777 beater.

However, I don't know if they'll be offering an A350-1000, or A370 ... whatever they want to call it. One thing's for certain though - all eyes (including mine) will be on Farnborough next week!

Dan.

[Im tha king]

Hmm...the for the three new planes, the price of producing these planes are quadrupled from the A350 cost. Remember they are producing three. I hope they have enough money in their budget.... Dang, Airbus is probably going to face a lot of arguements from the engine manufacturer, I'm 100% GE will not bother helping Airbus's A370 when they have a risk-sharing agreement with Boeing and their Boeing 777-300ER. Hopefully, Boeing is prepared for the worst. What I can tell you is that Boeing shouldn't have any problems, except maybe their Boeing 787-8. The Boeing 787-9 is well below the frozen point and Boeing's 787-10...well it's not announced yet. Also, will they[Airbus] have enough money?

The article is to vague, I want to know the technically details and the figures.

Perhaps Boeing, in the future, would go for a re engined 777 with maybe a slight change elsewhere in the design to increase efficiency and to compete with this "proposed" 777 beater.

Yea, maybe a composite Boeing 777 or Y3.

Regards,
Smile

[tripleseven]

Well, a report (posted over at A.net) has stated that the A350 will now have a slightly better range and a slightly wider cabin floor than the 787. But, I still think it's too late for the A350 to overtake the 787 sales wise... it can at least put up a fight though.

Perhaps Boeing, in the future, would go for a re engined 777 with maybe a slight change elsewhere in the design to increase efficiency and to compete with this "proposed" 777 beater.

However, I don't know if they'll be offering an A350-1000, or A370 ... whatever they want to call it. one thing's for certain though - all eyes (including mine) will be on Farnborough next week!

Dan.

Why would they need to re-engine the 777 for?................

[Dan_Taylor]

Why would they need to re-engine the 777 for?................

Well, if Airbus say they're going to build 3 aircraft which will not only challenge the 787 but the 777, and with Y3 being a good few years off - this new "A370" is going to (or theoretically could) eat into the 777 market. Re-engining the 777 with a more efficient engine is a way of keeping the 777 in there until Y3 happens. But, I don't know whether they can come up with an engine rated at 100k lb + that's more efficient yet.

Dan.

[alex-y]

Cool! ,I dont care what the competition is, im just exited to see new aircraft.

[tripleseven]

Well, if Airbus say they're going to build 3 aircraft which will not only challenge the 787 but the 777, and with Y3 being a good few years off - this new "A370" is going to (or theoretically could) eat into the 777 market. Re-engining the 777 with a more efficient engine is a way of keeping the 777 in there until Y3 happens. But, I don't know whether they can come up with an engine rated at 100k lb + that's more efficient yet.

Dan.

Building 3 to challenge 2..........rather efficient wouldn't you say?

[ChillSpiller]

Well, quite interesting but to be honest I don't think this will happen in the near future. It sounds nice, but at this time it can't be in any other than theoretical stage. Airbus is having enough work and troubles with their A380 and A350 program. They are still searching for hundreds of engineers to work for them. They have nearly 2000 employment offers, that still need to be filled. Until that problem is solved, and the production of A380 and 350 is running, I highly doubt that any other project will be considered - not meaning evaluated.

[...]Dang, Airbus is probably going to face a lot of arguements from the engine manufacturer, I'm 100% GE will not bother helping Airbus's A370 when they have a risk-sharing agreement with Boeing and their Boeing 777-300ER. Hopefully, Boeing is prepared for the worst. [...]

What a lot of people here don't seem to understand, is that the engine manufacturers often build the same engine type for various models of different AC manufacturers. If another AC manufacturer comes along and chooses the same engine they will be happy to sign another contract. Even if the plane types would be competitors they would make money on each engine they sell. If the engines are different, the separate development will diminish their profits, but any profit would be enough to justify a new concept. The only direct competitor they have is within their own business branch.

[mnztr]

Airbus would be smarter to go after the 777 as it is already quite an old design. So is they can come up with a competitor that is 20% more efficient, then they're on toi something. I'm amazed they did not consult their customers more regarding the A350

[apapele182]

Which planes use to be cheaper? A or B? (Remmeber in terms of same category, don't come and say a A318 is cheaper than a 777) (Note: I'm not turning this into A vs. B, i just want the facts, the numbers)

[Dan_Taylor]

Well, a report (posted over at A.net) has stated that the A350 will now have a slightly better range and a slightly wider cabin floor than the 787. But, I still think it's too late for the A350 to overtake the 787 sales wise... it can at least put up a fight though.

Perhaps Boeing, in the future, would go for a re engined 777 with maybe a slight change elsewhere in the design to increase efficiency and to compete with this "proposed" 777 beater.

However, I don't know if they'll be offering an A350-1000, or A370 ... whatever they want to call it. One thing's for certain though - all eyes (including mine) will be on Farnborough next week!

Dan.

I take it back. It appears Airbus HAVE designed three aircraft to take on the 787 and 777 together.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=8480

They really are going for it - but the -1000 varient doesn't come out until 2014 - Y3 territory?

Dan.

[tripleseven]

Airbus would be smarter to go after the 777 as it is already quite an old design. So is they can come up with a competitor that is 20% more efficient, then they're on toi something. I'm amazed they did not consult their customers more regarding the A350

Actually I think it would be an unwise decision, since 777 sales are already well established.

By the time the 350/370 are built......there really wouldn't be any sales competition as the 777 would have like an 18 YEAR HEADSTART.

The smarter thing to do would be to create their own market

The smartest thing to do would be to just concentrate on the 380, as they have enough problems getting that bird going

[mnztr]

Actually I think it would be an unwise decision, since 777 sales are already well established.

By the time the 350/370 are built......there really wouldn't be any sales competition as the 777 would have like an 18 YEAR HEADSTART.

The smarter thing to do would be to create their own market

The smartest thing to do would be to just concentrate on the 380, as they have enough problems getting that bird going

heh heh, yes, but the 777 will also be an 18 year old design and there will be plenty of 777's that are ripe for replacement. Apparently the A350-1000 will have 25% lower cost per seat then 777, that alone will finish the 777. Either Boeing will have to redesign it, or grow the 787 to replace it.