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 Dec 30 2007, 05:31 AM
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Hey there, I was searching around for different things pilot related like a uniform, oh how my mom would be so pround to see me in one, and that you can buy pilot suits online with 4 gold bars that look really professional and it got me thinking.... does anyone suggest getting anything towards the pilot kit? clipboards or anything different? also..... WOULD anyone suggest getting a nice professional log book? i know flight schools give you one , and you keep that forever and if you bought a nice logbook you can't transfer it all over and get the CFI's to resign in all... so before one starts their flight training, is it a good idea to get a nice leather professional jeppesenn Log book? http://www.mypilotstore.com/mypilotstore/sep/1117Regards, and Happy New Year B.
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Dec 30 2007, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(BMeister @ Dec 30 2007, 04:31 AM) [snapback]124066[/snapback] Hey there, I was searching around for different things pilot related like a uniform, oh how my mom would be so pround to see me in one, and that you can buy pilot suits online with 4 gold bars that look really professional and it got me thinking.... does anyone suggest getting anything towards the pilot kit? clipboards or anything different? also..... WOULD anyone suggest getting a nice professional log book? i know flight schools give you one , and you keep that forever and if you bought a nice logbook you can't transfer it all over and get the CFI's to resign in all... so before one starts their flight training, is it a good idea to get a nice leather professional jeppesenn Log book? http://www.mypilotstore.com/mypilotstore/sep/1117Regards, and Happy New Year B. One thing you must realize is pilots must earn the uniform and the stripes. They earn the uniform by demonstrating that they have the skills required to fly for an airline. Their stripes come after years of service and experience. Pilots have to work for years, spend thousands of dollars, and deal with some really crappy assignments to be able to wear that uniform. What do you think the reaction will be from pilots who are above you (flight instructors) when you show up wearing a uniform you bought, denoting a higher rank? They'll laugh at you. I recall in my ramp rat days, a kid who was taking flying lessons. He was what you would call a try hard, he would dress up in this ridiculous air force style jumpsuit with patches and an embroidered name tag. He had wing pins he had purchased from the army surplus store, and an officer's cap. Of course there were the over sized American Optical air force sunglasses which he wore regardless of the ambient lighting. On cold days he would strut around in a heavily decorated faux sheepskin and leather bomber coat, which was ridiculously new looking despite the obvious attempts to make it appear to be from the second world war. In warmer weather he took to dressing as a cross between a commercial pilot and an air cadet, despite being neither. He carried around a large leather flight bag which only contained a map, a headset and his knee board. This was sometimes substituted for the more modern rolling carry on luggage-style flight bag. What made it even more ridiculous was the fact that he only carried two or three items in these large cases, all of which he required up front. So he was flying around with an empty suitcase in the back of a 152. You could imagine what was said about him when he wasn't around. A group of twenty-something flight instructors who found it comical and insulting that this boy was buying the image rather than earning the lifestyle as they were doing. The money his parents spent on him trying to look like something he wasn't, could have bought him several hours of flight time, instead they tried to buy him respect, which of course had the opposite effect. Bottom line: Don't be a poséur!
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Dec 30 2007, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(rjb4000 @ Dec 30 2007, 02:21 PM) [snapback]124070[/snapback] I don't know this from experience, but I would guess that after interviewing thousands of candidates for the same position, the last thing that a review board would care about is the appearance of your logbook... That's true insomuch as it doesn't look like a sociopath has been scribbling his manifesto within it. A good, simple, conservative logbook is fine to start with. I got a blue, "Professional Pilot Logbook" for something like $10 to record my civilian flight time in. My instructors wrote what they needed to in it, to include lessons, endorsements, etc. I liked to always use black pen, but it was no big if I didn't. I tried to write as neatly as I could...I used those little white-out things when it got REALLY chewed up. I only spilled coffee on it once...well, only once really badly. When it came time to interview for my first job out of the AF, I had my military records...to include my flight logs...and 2 little, simple, conservative, blue "Professional Pilot Logbooks" with the civilian time that I had. They looked at my endorsements, checked the sections that had my checkrides (which were marked with multi-colored tabs...cheese, but they liked it), and set them down on the military logs which they had merely scanned over. That was it with the logbooks. Glenn, PM, and the rest of them are on the ball...it's what you put into the book that counts. And do not...not...NOT...be like the pogue that Empress spoke of. Oh my freakin' gawd, who let him out of the house looking like that?!?!
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Dec 31 2007, 03:21 AM
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My bro, 27driver, eloquently pontificated... QUOTE Glenn, PM, and the rest of them are on the ball...it's what you put into the book that counts Absolutely!! I thought their messages so cogent as to preclude my repeating it again. I was just tryin' to kinda' calm him down about worrying over buyin' a bunch of stuff he doesn't need. Glenn
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Jan 2 2008, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(Piltdown Man @ Dec 30 2007, 02:17 PM) [snapback]124068[/snapback] Oh dear... soon it will be Tom Cruise sunglases, a jacket with lots of badges and medals and a blond with rubber tits. If you don't want to get the piss ripped out of you - don't look like a prat of a pilot. Wear sensible shoes, a shirt with pockets (no stripes - believe me, you only wear these when people are paying for you to fly and then only on duty) and a sensible jacket capable of holding an empty wallet and your licence. Kneeboard - bulldog clip on a lump of stiff cardboard. Logbook - a cheap one with the legal minimum. Sunglasses: Get good ones. The best I've ever used are Serengetti's with "Driver Gradient" lenses but I think the Ray-Ban Graphite range may be as good. I only ever wear them in a plane. And for a bag, get a cheap one from Walmart. Overall, avoid anything that says "pilot" or "aviation" on it.
But overall, do not confuse looks and presentation with ability or professionalism.
PM I totally agree with you PM. It is the total skill of the profession and not the uniform which makes a pilot a good one. Happy New Year to you, by the way.
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Jan 13 2008, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(BMeister @ Dec 30 2007, 03:31 AM) [snapback]124066[/snapback] Hey there, I was searching around for different things pilot related like a uniform, oh how my mom would be so proud to see me in one, and that you can buy pilot suits online with 4 gold bars that look really professional and it got me thinking.... Does anyone suggest getting anything towards the pilot kit? Cipboards or anything different? Also..... WOULD anyone suggest getting a nice professional log book? I know flight schools give you one , and you keep that forever and if you bought a nice logbook you can't transfer it all over and get the CFI's to resign in all... So before one starts their flight training, is it a good idea to get a nice leather professional jeppesenn Log book? http://www.mypilotstore.com/mypilotstore/sep/1117Regards, and Happy New Year B. Here are my thoughts. For starters, you don't want to be a poser. They don't get any respect from anyone. With that said. Figure out why you want to fly exactly? Do you want to fly for fun? Make a career out of it? Or just something to impress other people with? If you just want the license for show, then pose all you want, but if you're having fun, or it's a career, then spend your money getting better at it, and not the look. For training purposes, the $10 log book you start off with is perfectly acceptable. once you are done training, get a new log book if you want to. Sometimes a couple little changes to really nice things can affect your attitude and motivation. Some times its a pride thing. I personally like a nice pro log book (maybe the nostalgia of it, (I really don't know). and even though no one really ever sees my log book but me, it's something that I like. but I'm not one of the guys that likes to buy a suit and dress up to look the part by a long shot either. I prefer to fly in jeans and a t-shirt to be honest with you ( much more comfortable that way). While on the topic of log books, I'll just tell you what I prefer. I will start by saying, use only 1 color of pen. you choose, black, blue, does'nt really matter, just don't use both and rainbow the book. Every pilot has a few entries where they couldn't find their normal color pen and ended up using a different color, but really try and avoid it if at all possible. Second, everything must be in pen. but I will say that when I tally up all my hours at the bottom of the page, I use pencil there, that way if I make a mistake it can be corrected much easier. I have several pages of screw ups where I was off on on one of my numbers, and had to redo several tallies at the bottom of the pages. Made my book look like hell. so I log everything in pen, but do all my tallying in pencil. Lastly I also use a program to help keep track of my logged time. Your log book is the only thing you have to show proof of your time. So if it ever gets lost, or stolen, unless you track down every instructor and every flight, you have lost all that time logged. So I keep a digital copy as well. There are several programs that are designed for that, but you can create a simple spread sheet as well. I also use an online site called www.logshare.com It's free and can be accessed by any computer with web access. One nice thing about using a digital copy as well is it will tally up your numbers for you as well. So after you do all the maths for your log book you can verify it is correct by the program as well. To answer some of your other questions. As far as pilot kits, it all depends on what kind of flying you really plan on doing in the future. If it's just local recreation flying then you really won't need much. but if you are planning on making a career out of it, you might think about getting a CX2 calculator. you need to learn how to use an e6b, but they are a pain in the tail, and the CX2 is a nice convenience. Also a good pair of sunglasses is essential. You don't have to spend $200 on a pair of glasses, but don't spend $5 either. You are going to come across many different things/ gimmicks that you will think are a good idea in your flying experience, and you will spend money on some of them, but we have all spent money on something we thought was a good idea that didn't work out and just ended up being a waste of money. Best advice I can offer you there is look at what other pilots are carrying, and ask them questions. ask them what worked for them, and what didn't.
Reason for edit: spelling and grammar
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Jan 13 2008, 04:10 PM
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Now that's an interesting point right there. Having only fairly recently completed my PPL, I'm still in the habit of filling out one of those nav log sheets whenever I intend on leaving the circuit (I say it like I'm flying often... finances wont let me at the moment and not even able to fly enough to keep current at my flying club which is annoying, hopefully that will change soon... anyway, back on topic). In these sheets you have 'From' 'To' 'MSA' 'Altitude' 'Track' 'True Heading' 'Magnetic Var' 'Magnetic Heading' 'TAS' 'Distance' 'Time', and all this is planned out on the ground before even setting out to the plane. You get out all your pens, ruler, protractor, flight computer etc and plan it all out, which is fine, and I've always thought this is how its done, 'period'. However, is this just something that, for the general local area nav flight, is only done during training to ensure you're proficient with the calculator and nav in general? If you were a fairly new PPL, or even a reasonably experienced one, how would you go about planning a local flight or even a short cross country? I'm asking, not so much because I don't know how (like I said, I just use those sheets) but I'm intrigued to know what others do. Having just obtained my drivers licence, I can compare and discuss my driving habits with my friends and other acquaintances who also drive. However, I only know of 1 other person in my year group who can fly, and he is still learning. [/rant]  Not my most eloquent post, I know, and also off topic, so I apologize for all that.
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Jan 13 2008, 06:15 PM
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The reason all that is taught is to make sure you learn it. Some of it will be constant over time, like Magnetic Variation and, therefore, Mag Hdg will become automatic to you. But, in one form or another, all the heading categories you listed have to be taken into account, even if they do remain constant.
But, you have to know how to obtain or calculate all of them in order to understand their relationship to you and your plane. That's how you know which ones will deviate and which will become relatively constant.
I still draw out my course on a sectional, figure Mag Hdg, True Hdg, time over course, pick landmarks and note Navaids and their freqs, then I get a weather briefing and adjust all the above for winds etc.
I make a list of landmarks and Navaids and that is my table of contents so to speak, for the chart. I do not study the sectional while flying. It's folded up so that I just turn it over or fold it out one fold and reverse it. I am familiar with the route and weather before I get into the plane.
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Jan 13 2008, 06:38 PM
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Check weather, if naf, go to pub, else
Draw (rough) lines on chart, get rough tracks, measure distances (use the scale on the longitude or your thumb)
Get upper winds
According to the angle of wind vs track, calculate head/tailwind (0, 0.5, 0.7, 0.9, 1 - 90, 60, 45, 30, 180/0 degrees of your track) of wind as a factor
According to the angle of wind vs track, calculate crosswind (1, 0.9, 0.7, 0.5, 0 - as above)
Add/subtract wind from TAS (from aircraft manual book) or use IAS plus height in thousands to get TAS(ish) to get groundspeed.
Divide distance by groundspeed to get time. Mutiply time by fuel flow to get burn.
Drift: Divide TAS by X-wind, multiply by 7 to get drift. Dial in magnetic variation to get (initial) heading,
Add up times to get total flight time
Add up fuel burns to get Total Fuel Burn
Gross error check - Total Time vs Total Fuel Burn.
Add 5% of Total Fuel Burn for getting it wrong.
Add something for start and taxi.
Add 45 minutes at worst flow imaginable fuel flow for Final reserve.
Have at least this much fuel before you depart.
This will be as accurate as you need.
Go fly.
PM
As you were planning this, hopefully you were writing this on your chart!
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I actually saved yours PM, because theres alot of useful info there. One problem though, I hope you're not suggesting a 17 year old lies about his age and goes down the pub just because the weather is 'naf'? 
